Re: System Sensor 2W-B

["Doug" <not@xxxxxxxx>]

"Frank Olson" <use-the-email-links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:aLtul.153314$6r1.128480@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> KingFish wrote:
>> "Frank Olson" <use-the-email-links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> message news:we1ul.100066$EO2.24140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> "Frank Olson" <use-the-email-links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:8FOtl.84012$RJ7.67713@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>> The 2W-B (2 wire) does not show up on the compatibility list for the
>>>>> Vista
>>>>> 20.  You'll have to use the 4W and an EOL supervision relay.  Only the
>>>>> following 2-wire smokes are compatible (see page 18 of your Vista 20
>>>>> installation manual):
>>>>>
>>>>> System Sensor 2300TB, 2400, 2400TH, 2451 w/ B401B Base, 2451TH w/
>>>>> B401B
>>>>> Base, 1400, 1451 w B401B Base, 2451 w/ DH400 Base, 1451 w/ DH400 Base,
>>>>> 1100 and 2100T
>>>>>
>>>>> Use only UL approved compatible devices for connection to a listed
>>>>> panel.
>>>>> And the pro's here should really check their facts before opening
>>>>> their
>>>>> big yaps!  :-)
>>>> Yappidy yap yap
>>>>
>>>> http://www.systemsensor.org/html/cd.html?page=2-wire&co=Honeywell%20Security%20(Ademco)&panel=VISTA%2020
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sdilink.com/pdf/SystemSensor/SystemSensorsmoke.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK...  So the question remains...  why doesn't the panel manufacturer
>>> list them as compatible?  IMO, I would only install those detectors the
>>> panel manufacturer lists.
>>
>> because that Ademco manual was made years before the smokes were invented
>> and manufactured.
>
>
> And your point???  Every FIRE ALARM manufacturer I know of provides a list
> of compatible smoke detectors.  The smoke detector manufacturer is
> interested in selling...  smoke detectors...  and hopefully gets included
> in that list.  How does a smoke detector manufacturer determine
> whether-or-not his new "little gem" of technology is going to be
> compatible with say... a Mircom 300 series panel, or an Ademco Vista 20? I
> somehow think the procedure involves a resubmittal (to UL) for testing
> (which would also involve the panel manufacturer's engineering
> department).  I haven't seen Ademco publish an updated list anywhere.
> Seeing as how I'm taking on the responsibility of installing a system, I'm
> also responsible for ensuring that the life safety devices connected to it
> are, in fact, compatible.  Therefore, the panel manufacturer's list is the
> one I go by.
>
> I'll call up Honeywell later today and see if they've got an updated
> compatiblity list.  I do happen to like the C2W's.  They are my smoke
> detector of choice.

While your on the phone to Honeywell, you may like to point them to this
page on System Sensors website
http://www.systemsensor.com/html/search_all.php?s=
and then in the search box plug in each of the detectors (one at a time)
listed in the Ademco installation manual, you may start to see a
pattern after you've entered a few model numbers.


Doug