Re: Looking for schematics for Fire-Lite MS-424A

["alarman" <nospam@xxxxxxxx>]

nick markowitz wrote:
> On Nov 28, 8:23 am, JoeRaisin <joerai...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> alarman wrote:
>>> JoeRaisin wrote:
>>
>>>> Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Nov 26, 4:38 pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> If you are planning on doing actual electronic repairs to boards
>>>>>> etc I strongly recomend against it as you would be violating UL
>>>>>> label and leaving your self open to a major lawsuit should a
>>>>>> board fail , board repairs should only be done by factory
>>>>>> authorised repair person.
>>
>>>>> These are for my own experimentation, so I don't really care if I
>>>>> void UL approval, and I've actually repaired fire alarm systems
>>>>> for a past job. I am just hoping for something to help me out, so
>>>>> that I don't have to spend as much time figuring out what's
>>>>> broken on them.
>>
>>>> Others have spoken about the liability so I'll just speak to the
>>>> sheer irresponibility of perfoming unauthorized repairs on a peice
>>>> of life-safety equipment.
>>
>>>> Then again, for someone who is prone to trying to repair a board
>>>> rather than replace it, my guess is you would more attentive to the
>>>> money it would cost you rather than the lives you are risking.
>>
>>>> If a board has proper power applied and all the appropriate inputs
>>>> but does not generate appropriate responses then the board is bad.
>>>> What more do you need to know? Replace it.
>>
>>>> Or would you truly be comfortable looking into the eyes of someone
>>>> who lost a loved one due to your cobble-job and telling them,
>>>> "Well, it was cheaper to do it that way, and it seemed to work
>>>> okay..."
>>
>>>> For fuck's sake, do the job right or get another job.
>>
>>> 1. The man just wants schematics so that he can experiment on some
>>> old boards.
>>
>> No, he wants to experiment so he can more readily troubleshoot the
>> board later. Why would he need to do that if he wasn't planning on
>> field repairs?
>>
>>> 2. He stated that he has been previously employed repairing fire
>>> alarm systems.
>>
>> He said he had repaired fire alarm systems for a past job - how do
>> you know he wasn't the maintenance man at some church?
>>
>>
>>
>>> He may be qualified to do board level repairs, or he may not. If he
>>> is, he'll do it as well as anyone at the "factory". If he wants to
>>> assume liability, how is that any skin off our noses?
>>
>> Yeah, a solder job done on a garage work-bench is always as solid as
>> one done in a factory setting.
>>
>> I'll admit I assumed the worst case scenario, so if the OP can
>> assure us that I have it wrong and these refurbished boards will
>> NEVER end up installed in a life-safety situation then I'll be happy
>> to apologize.
>>
>> But it's kind of a sad statement that someone risking the lives of
>> people we don't know is no concern of ours.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> In Pa. we have a catch all law called risking a catastrophe.
> and if he did put such a board in service and it failed  and caused
> major damage ,injury or death he would be facing felony charges if AHJ
> so desired.
> This law also effects professionals who fail to notify or otherwise
> fail to stop a problem from happening that is with in there power.
> So yes it is other peoples buisness who posts what on this board .
> So as a professional I posted the approriate response with out getting
> nasty.
>
>
> I still repair industrial electronic boards mostly power supplies  for
> equiptment no longer made or supported but nothing which is lifesafety
> oriented or would pose a hazard when it fails.,

Oh, jeez. Get over yourself.

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js

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