Re: question about burglar alarm dispute (San Francisco Bay Area)

["Roland Moore" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I have a complaint. Who decided that was a good installation of an outdoor
camera? This is a joke, right? Am I seeing things or is the drip loop
actually above the camera? And why on earth would one post that picture to a
web site for "Commercial Security Solutions" when that would be a very poor
even for a residential installation? Is that really the best they have? I'd
truly hate to see the worst. Around here that installation would last about
a day or two in a rough neighborhood. Someone would steal a garden hose,
toss a loop of the hose up there and drag the camera off the wall. It is a
call we get frequently about our competitor's installations. That and the
poor quality of the video prevents them from being able to identify the
culprit that took the camera down, even when he stands in front of the
camera waves at the camera mockingly before he drags it down. I'd post that
picture on a Disney site because it looks pretty Mickey Mouse to me. Which
is worse, to put up a junky installation like that or to be too stupid to
know your installation is pure crap and embarrass yourself by actually
posting it to your web site? Is this another company that has no business
being in the business.
As for this guy's complaint about the toll charges?
Toss in the fact that they used a toll number instead of an 800 number for
the central station phone number. Then setting a residential test timer for
daytime testing?
And let's be honest here folks, most modern central stations would have had
caller ID for that many signals and put the account on run away. The on call
tech would have been getting a page about every 15 minutes to take care of
the problem. This company doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt in my
opinion. Pay this man NOW! These guys level of service for this account was
way below substandard as I see it.




<hotister@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Doug (and all), thanks so much for your reply! It seems that you are a
> expert in this field!
>
> For our case, the weekly timer set to go off every Thursday at 1:40pm.
> It was working fine for 16 years until November 2007. On 12/27/07 for
> example, the alarm system dialed the central station from 1:40pm until
> 10:18am the following morning of 12/28/07, with one call per minute.
> Despite 21 hours, or 1260 called to the central station, the alarm
> company did not receive this test signal until 10:15am on 12/28/07.
>
> The alarm company claim that they have no responsibility to monitor
> these timer tests, and according to them, if the timer tests failed,
> it is clients' responsibility as the alarm panel's LED light will be
> blinking or sound an alarm sound. However in our case even up to today
> the alarm panel never sounded or the LED light (the CMD indicator)
> never blinked. So according to industry standard, is the alarm company
> responsible to monitor these weekly timer tests? Or is it the client's
> responsibility?
>
> Also if we are to file a complaint about this issue, to which
> regulatory agency of the alarm industry should we write to?
>
> The alarm company is AEC Alarms (http://www.aec-alarms.com).
>
> Thanks again!
>
> On Mar 3, 9:13 am, "Doug" <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > --
> >
> > <hotis...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi dear all:
> >
> > > We recently got involved with a dispute with a burglar alarm company
> > > (in San Francisco Bay Area), and I hope this is the right place to
> > > post this question.
> >
> > > On our AT&T phone bill last month we noticed that we have a long list
> > > of "automated" long distance phone calls dialing to a area code (408)
> > > phone number. These phone calls happened on daily basis and always
> > > start from 1:43pm and would continue to dial until 2:39pm (for about
> > > one hour, and call every one minute). At first we didn't think of it's
> > > a problem from our burglar alarm company, so we called AT&T and they
> > > put these calls on dispute for us. The next month, we noticed the same
> > > thing again, so we called AT&T again and they told us that it seems
> > > the phone number is a fax/computer type of phone number, they also
> > > asked whether we have some kind of alarm system, so we started to talk
> > > to our alarm company. The alarm company did some investigation, then
> > > got back to us saying that these phone calls were made by the alarm
> > > system for automated testing, as all these calls were never actually
> > > went through, so the modem kept on trying to make those automated
> > > testing calls. However, they did mention that they have another 4-5
> > > customers who also had this problem before and the problem seems to be
> > > related to really old modem (on the residence side, not the modems on
> > > their company side), so they suggested that we should upgrade the
> > > modem in our house (the current one was provided and installed by
> > > them), and they also switched the 408 long distance number to a 1-800
> > > number. They continue to say that we should dispute these phone calls
> > > with AT&T and they are NOT willing to pay for these phone bills
> > > (currently there are about $390 due to
> >
> > > Some questions:
> >
> > > 1. From the technical side, who should be really responsible for these
> > > phone calls? I know that we shouldn't, but we also don't know from the
> > > technical side whether AT&T or the alarm company should be responsible
> > > for this $390. Could someone please give us some "technical details"
> > > about how this type of automated dialing system works (for burglar
> > > alarm systems)? If, according to the alarm company, that these
> > > automated dialing (from our home modem) never went through, why would
> > > AT&T has a record on their computer and still charge us?
> >
> > > 2. Is there any regulate agency for burglar alarm companies? If this
> > > is the alarm company's fault and they should be responsible for the
> > > $390 bill, other than the BBB (better business bureau), is there any
> > > other places that we could file a complain against this alarm company?
> >
> > The alarm is calling the central station receiver, which answers the
call
> > hence the charges from AT&T but the message (timer test) is either not
> > transmitted correctly or not received correctly so the alarm hangs up
and
> > redials the receiver in an attempt to transmit its message. In most
cases
> > the alarm will only try about 8 times before giving up.
> >
> > Why isn't the message being received correctly ?,who knows, it could be
the
> > alarm company changed the receiver format, it could be that the alarm
system
> > is faulty, devices could have been added at your home that would affect
the
> > transmission of alarm signals or any number of other reasons.
> >
> > If part of the monitoring contract calls for a daily timer test and the
> > signal isn't received then the alarm company should notify you that the
> > signal wasn't received. It may be however that the signal was eventually
> > accepted.
> >
> > Its unlikely to be AT&Ts responsibility, which leaves you or the alarm
> > company.
> > Prior to the multiple calls was there a single daily call to this
number?
> > Have you made any changes made to your phone equipment or added DSL to
this
> > line?
> > Who owns the alarm system?
> >
> > Doug