Re: Problem With ADT System - Need Advice

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>First off Sorry to hear that Robert( or for that matter any person is ill)
Most folks here wish the best for Robert as well. Some don't and make no
secret of it.

>Immediately Robert and Roland started attacking Sonitrol (SonaTrash).
Not true! I never referred to Sonitrol as Sonitrash. I wish I had thought
that one up, but that was Bass. I just laughed when I read it.
>I never said one bad thing about  YOUR TECHNOLOGY.
You didn't write this?
'You can't do what Sonitrol does because your technology is limited and
antiquated.' No you didn't say one bad thing, it was two actually; or this
is not what you consider bad.
I don't own a patent on any technology, so it's not mine. I can't speak for
Bass. As a practical matter I don't think I represent one technology.
Perhaps that gets to the point best. A one size fits all solution is not
generally in the customer's best interest. There are many types of
installation other dealers can do better than we can. Some examples include
home automation, high rise fire systems, banks and nurse call. I doubt that
any of those items are a Sonitrol forte either. To have a one size fits all
product means it better be one hell of a product. To compare and contrast is
what goes on here. Most of these guys have long in the tooth experience.
Just enthusiasm for the product is not going to be enough to sway them.
These guys are, for the most part, entertained by a good verbal dust up.
Insults, snide remarks, bitter rants, personal attacks, and all sorts of
things not found in polite society are the things that go on here. Sometimes
someone talks about alarms.
"pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:QXEph.3365$3h5.2747@xxxxxxxxxxx
> First off Sorry to hear that Robert( or for that matter any person is ill)
> that being said.
>
> Go back a couple of pages to where this all started. I answered someone
> question with an opinion from me. I thought that what this news group was
> about. Immediately Robert and Roland started attacking Sonitrol
> (SonaTrash). If you all got off your high horses and looked at the banter
> I spent most of the time trying to level the playing field. I never said
> one bad thing about YOUR TECHNOLOGY. You on the other hand had nothing to
> say nice about Sonitrol.
>
> Quite frankly I am not effected either way. I though this was all good fun
> banter. Apparently ya just can't walk into the insane asylum with out
> stepping on some nuts.
>
> Hey if you took offence, so be it. Quite frankly if this is the
> "professional new groups" that someone said it was, quite frankly  many of
> your were rather unprofessional and extremely rude. You did not defend
> your product, you attacked Sonitrol's.
>
> I did not lamb baste you or your technology I leveled the playing field.
> You spit your horror stories about Sonitrol and I showed that you had just
> as many. Robert Blasted how many complaints there were about Sonitrol and
> I easily found the same about his.
>
> You know you may all think you walk on water... and maybe you do in your
> small world. But as individuals you are very small and condescending.
>
> Hey I welcome Robs "minions sniffing up my skirt" but I will be the one in
> pants. If Rob is as big as you say he is then he had better be careful as
> well. Big people have bigger skeletons. And quite frankly if me, the "piss
> ant" can ruffle your panties this much I truly feel sad for you.
>
> As always... Take Care...
>
>
>
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> "Roland" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:45a6d7f6$0$7710$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Maybe I'll Google Ronald now..he he!
>> It's Roland actually. Go ahead Google away.
>> The only reference you'll find is under the perfect technician category;
>> I am both fat and lazy.
>> Bass operates in a completely different DIY market. So public exposure is
>> something he is used to. He lists his full name, address, phone number
>> etc. on his posts so he is no shrinking violet. If you think your little
>> whack at him will phase him at all, then you might be disappointed. His
>> health has given him some serious challenges and some folks here wish him
>> a speedy journey not back to good health, but into the next life. Some
>> have created entire web sites in his (dis)honor. (www.goofysplace.com).
>> It is something the likes you have probably never encountered before. I
>> suspect Bass has some grown pretty thick bark on his trunk and can take
>> what you throw with alacrity. Just be ready for what he throws back. If
>> asked I would have suggested you read those posts before breaking the
>> crust off of that bucket of crap. Bass is not necessarily the benign soul
>> you regularly encounter. Bass might have his own minions sniffing up your
>> skirt. From what I see he can kiss and tell, revealing some rather
>> embarrassing details. If you have any dirty laundry now might be a good
>> time to burn it, but it probably too late for that. I don't think you can
>> un-swat the hornet's nest. Your only hope is that you're too much of a
>> piss ant for Bass to worry with. Dragging Bass through the mud probably
>> would have gotten Jim on your side, but being a shill for Sonitrol is
>> apparently more than he can stomach, even if you are a confirmed Bass
>> detractor. We might not know much about you now, but I suspect Bass might
>> have some details to reveal that could portray you in a most unflattering
>> light.
>>
>> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:BCzph.13484$AM4.1507@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Hey Rob, I was initially impressed with what you said about yourself...
>>> really so I Google you. Now I'm sure you can find plenty of dirt on
>>> Sonitrol as well but as the they say..."people that live in glass houses
>>> should not throw stones"... Robert put down your rocks... (of course my
>>> apologies if this is the wrong Robert L. Bass.. But I'm pretty sure I'm
>>> dead on)
>>>
>>> Wow 21 complaints in a small region like your... shame shame... Take
>>> care as always... Maybe I'll Google Ronald now..he he!
>>>
>>> Robert L Bass - NOW 21 BBB COMPLAINTS STRONG
>>> Robert L Bass - NOW 21 BBB COMPLAINTS STRONG
>>>
>>> UP FROM 20 TO 21 COMPLAINTS - CONSUMER BEWARE
>>>
>>>      The Online vender operating under the names shown below has an
>>> UNSATISFACTORY RECORD with the BBB with 21 complaints in the past 36
>>> months,
>>> 11 were closed in the last year. You decide.
>>>
>>>
>>>            Bass Home Electronics
>>>
>>>
>>>      www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
>>>
>>>      www.Home-Automation.us.com
>>>
>>>      www.Security-Alarm-Systems.us
>>>
>>>
>>>      See the BBB report on line before you purchase from this vendor.
>>>
>>>      There is a lot more to consider than just a low price when shopping
>>> on
>>> the internet. Don't become the next victim.
>>>      SEE THE REPORT BELOW
>>>
>>>      http://www.bbbwestflorida.org/commonreport.html?bid=41001663
>>> Ya gotta go tho the link above... It just a killer!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:y9KdnS1UTeMkRjjYnZ2dnUVZ_rCsnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Hey I can expect these kinds of responses...
>>>>
>>>> If you have any idea what a low quality system it is, indeed you should
>>>> expect negative responses.
>>>>
>>>>> You can't do what Sonitol does...
>>>>
>>>> In good conscience no one would either.  Your system is junk.  It
>>>> doesn't work.  I once replaced a Sonitrash system in CT after thieves
>>>> broke in and stole only one thing... the Sonitrash control panel.
>>>>
>>>>> because your technology is limited
>>>>> and antiquated. I have seen multiple complaints that's say ADT
>>>>> installed
>>>>> their system and it did not work properly...
>>>>
>>>> I don't work for ADT.  However, there are two types of ADT.  There are
>>>> the so-called "authorized dealers" who sell cheap junk, slap the system
>>>> in place in half a day and rush to the next vic... er, client.  Then
>>>> there is Corporate ADT which is the recognized industry leader -- head
>>>> and shoulders above any of the "dealer program" idiots who have all but
>>>> destroyed the industry.
>>>>
>>>> Sonitrash is far worse than even the lowest of low "authorized dealers"
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>> so they brought in Bay to Monitor...
>>>>
>>>> If you mean Bay Alarm, that's a poor example, too.  Comparing Sonitrash
>>>> to them is equivalent to com,paring a dead skunk to a dead squirrel.
>>>> The one stinks a bit more but they're both useless.
>>>>
>>>>> ... A traditional systems ONLY advantage
>>>>> is that everyone  (or just about everyone)
>>>>> sell the same crap...
>>>>
>>>> Whereas you sell other crap.  We once took over a gas station /
>>>> convenience store in the South End of Hartford.  They originally had
>>>> Sonitrash.  During a robbery the clerk pressed the holdup button.  No
>>>> one was dispatched.  The Sonitrash operator didn't hear anyone shouting
>>>> so she reset the alarm and did nothing.  She heard nothing because the
>>>> thieves had pulled the clerk into the back room and were raping her.
>>>>
>>>> In another place Sonitrash didn't even get the holdup signal because
>>>> they had left the circuit shunted during a service call after a prior
>>>> false alarm.  When the Sonitrash technician came out he told the
>>>> customer that "the wire [which they had run along the floor] was
>>>> squeezed by a box sitting on it so the electricity couldn't go through
>>>> it."
>>>>
>>>>> Therefore the customer has know
>>>>> where to go and eventually excepts
>>>>> what they got...
>>>>
>>>> I rarely poke fun at other people's spelling and grammatical errors but
>>>> the above indicates an education level just under that of the MM.
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all system have failure rates...
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, yours hass the highest rate of failure in the industry.
>>>> Police joke about "impact noises" which is the standard explanation
>>>> given by Sonitrash for tens of thousands of false alarm signals every
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, by the way... who is Robert Bass
>>>>> and why does he or anybody else think he is so smart?
>>>>
>>>> I am the owner of a rather large online alarm and home automation
>>>> store. I have nearly 30 years' experience selling, installing and
>>>> servicing alarm systems.  As to why certain others may think I'm smart,
>>>> that is all a matter of perspective.  To a dwarf even a midget looks
>>>> tall.  :^)
>>>>
>>>>> He sounds like the typical old consultant
>>>>> type trying to hang on the only technology
>>>>> he possess and makes every excuse in
>>>>> the book for why it dose not work except
>>>>> for the relevant excuse...
>>>>
>>>> The gentleman would have us believe that Sonitrash is using "new"
>>>> technology?  Heh.  There junk has been around for decades.  It was
>>>> trash when they started and it remains so today.  Well, at least
>>>> they're consistent.
>>>>
>>>>
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