Re: Gemini P3200 - * ZONES FAULTED ***

["I brive a dus" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx>]

Frank Olson wrote:
> Roland Moore wrote:
> >>So pointing out illegal activity
> >
> > I have paid enough lawyers to know that I do NOT know what is legal and what
> > is not legal in these areas.
>
> I don't need a "lawyer" to tell me that distributing copyrighted
> material without permission is just plain *wrong*.  I also happen to
> know that Napco doesn't know what Robert's up to and that he more than
> likely provides the same "service" for other manufacturer's products he
> says he "represents".  Only "time" will tell.  Napco's closed for the
> holiday, but I intend to find out what they think about someone
> providing their software as a free download on Tuesday.  As a matter of
> fact, I'll get the "scoop" from DSC, Paradox, Elk, Ademco and GE and
> post the answers from each one.  If you want the phone numbers and the
> name of the individual I spoke with, you can email me and I'll provide
> that to you as well.
>
>
> > I know I see all sorts of warnings posted like
> > "not responsible for windshield dammage" or "Not responsible for injuries
> > caused by" (fill in the blank). Well that is nice for a big company to put
> > there to try and protect themselves, but in legal terms it means less than
> > nothing.
>
> Bass will argue differently.  His contracts were "iron clad" and never
> challenged in court.  It's how he's managed to justify having no
> liability insurance.
>
>
> > They are responsible for certain tort claims no matter what signage
> > they put up to the contrary.
>
> Check.  But you're "preaching to the choir" here.
>
>
> > I don't if what Napco posts about their
> > software is used as a smoke screen, or if what they post is real policy.
>
> Copyright is exactly what it says it is.  I certainly wouldn't want to
> "spin" another meaning on it, and I know you wouldn't either.
>
>
> > Pointing out the obvious is the fact that they do nothing about it when it
> > is done right under their nose.
>
> There's a difference between "knowing" it's being done, and not
> "knowing".  You are also assuming the biggest liar in USENET is actually
> capable of telling (or recognizing) the "truth".
>
>
> > Nevertheless, I am not the one doing it.
>
> I would hope not.
>
>
> > I
> > can't make any assumptions, approvals, disapprovals or take any other
> > actions on Napco's behalf.
>
> Yes, you can.  As a responsible citizen you can report illegal activity
> to the appropriate authority.  If, in fact, Napco has given Bass their
> "blessing" they will tell you about it.  If not, then you can expect the
> link to be removed "co-incidentally".  :-)
>
>
> > I believe you believe what you saying about this
> > being illegal (or shady) is true, but you don't have any legal credentials
> > to back up that view, or do I.
>
> I not only "believe I believe it", I'll come right out and say it.  Bass
> is providing proprietory software for download on his website against
> the manufacturer's EULA and Copyright.  I intend to report this activity
> because I know it's the responsible thing to do and not because I have a
> "long standing feud" with the asshole.
>
>
> > Napco is not a basket case or a charity case.
>
> Check.  And they have far deeper pockets than some "installer wannabe"
> parts pusher that believes he has "the right" to do something no other
> online service does because he's "special".
>
>
> > They are a company that can define and protect their own interests. I say
> > let them do it.
>
>
> They can only "do that" if they know about it.  I'm a security
> professional.  I take pride in what I do and the service I provide.  I
> have nothing against "DIY" or "DIY stores" (whether they're online or
> not).  However, when I perceive another individual that's in my industry
> is skirting the law, I will take action.  We have a responsibility to
> the public we protect.  You can continue to bury your head in the sand
> or post "inanities".  We each of us view things differently and I
> respect that.  Happy New Year, by the way.
>
>
> Jim (alarminex):  Contact me at feolson at yoursecuritysource dot com.