Re: another newbie, what to do with this Brinks alarm system?

["Roland" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You wrote "There are emerging technologies such as video analytics that
could
 replace traditional security systems with much more reliable  technology."
 I am guessing you believe that? More reliable than what?
Most posts I see here are going for the lowest price point they can find.
Once that is their goal if they get hosed by some big national company then
they didn't do their homework. Residential alarms use the same wire, horns,
batteries, keypads, panels as many small commercial alarms. If they weren't
effective at some level insurance companies wouldn't be so keen to see them
installed. And what does any cop know about an alarm system? During a 40
mile an hour drive by most alarm trips are going to go down as false. The
90% false alarm rate is easier to explain when guys like you operate them.
To leap from that problem to a video analytics solution is a big jump.
Most DVR units that do analytics are limited to a single channel and small
feature set. Most encoders that do analytics only pump out meta data to some
nDVR AND/OR another piece of software on a different hardware platform. None
of that gear is cheap or user friendly. I can see turning loose a heard of
trunk slammers on video analytics. I see posts here on this NG where some
genius says big national companies have to standardize a "program" in a DSC
type panel so the installers can cope. Have you ever run an error check on
any of these "standard" programs to see what these guys have written? It
might be where all those "1's" and "0's" come from for the commercials. This
is too rich. If you only aspire to one day being able to program a simple
alarm panel as your professional goal, then video analytics in its current
form is simply impossible.  I can see some regular alarm tech trying to fat
finger a keyboard to capture a scene and start setting up object tracking.
You're going to trust these guys to pick the 10 best reference scenes to
work from? The ones I see post here couldn't pick the 10 best fleas off a
dog's butt. Sure you could see up rules based analytics to do all sorts of
things like only track a speeding blue car leaving the parking lot.
Currently setting up a system could cost as much as a small house. Then who
is going to monitor it? Ms. Jones is really going to like the idea of
walking around in her house knowing some guy might have his hand on his
groin looking while looking at hers?
Tell me PLEASE what encoders you have you set up analytics on THIS WEEK.
Last week? Ever? Been to training on any? Let me see, I bet that big iSCSI
array fits pretty snugly in your trunk. It is packed right next to that
Cisco layer 2 switch.
Currently the real plus of video analytics is to help to track events and
alert operators to conditions that they would not otherwise notice. You know
the gorilla and the basketball thing? You wrote "It's already started in the
high end government/ industrial markets." No it hasn't! If that were true AD
would have purchased Mate already, Genetec would have meta data response and
Broadware would do motion search. Is analytics really out of beta at I3DVR
yet? It is true that Cisco is into video but I suspect for video
conferencing more than security. In five to ten years Bosch might not have
its next regular alarm panel out. One with Video Analytics? You're nuts!






"J. @netscape.net>" <jsloud2001<removeme> wrote in message
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> A burglar alarm does not guarantee a family's safety.  That's a
> terrible perception that depends on the public's misinformed ideas
> about how residential burglar alarm systems work and the effectiveness
> of police agencies that usually despise the alarm companies who waste
> police resources with a 90% false alarm rate.  Your not protecting
> your family with a $30 a month burglar alarm system.  All you're doing
> is giving yourself a false sense of security.  Almost all residential
> alarm signals are false alarms.  The vast majority of alarm company
> generated police dispatches are for false alarms.  Alarm calls receive
> the lowest police dispatch priority.  Some jurisdictions have stopped
> responding to alarm signals at all.  Others charge a permitting fee
> and a steep false alarm penalty.   You can debate the reasons for this
> and who's fault it is, but the fact remains, this industry depends on
> a misguided public perception of mysterious, circling 1's and 0's that
> protect families with magical powers and instantaneous response from
> concerned law enforcement.  This is what is shown on television
> commercials and what the alarm salesmen tell the unsuspecting public.
>
> The good news is that there is pressure on the industry to fix this.
> There are emerging technologies such as video analytics that could
> replace traditional security systems with much more reliable
> technology.  The false alarm penalties and third party alarm response
> laws will force the trunkslammers and zero down marketers to rethink
> their strategies.  My guess is that we'll see the most radical shift
> that we've ever experiences in this industry within the next 5 to 10
> years.  With IT companies like IBM and Cisco wanted part of the
> security integration market, it's just a matter of time before someone
> comes alaong and does it better that what we have right now.  It's
> already started in the high end goverment/ industrial markets.
>
> J.
>
> On 3 Nov 2006 15:06:36 -0800, "Everywhere Man" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> .
>>All of the Brinks negatives aside look at what this guy is saying. He
>>lives in a nice neighborhood, so the house wasn't cheap, he's having a
>>hard time justifying $27 a month for family safety, and he's making the
>>world aware of this on his $1000.00 computer which accesses the
>>internet for probably $25 a month.
>>Talk about having fucked up priorities.
>>
>>
>>Crash Gordon wrote:
>>> Basically you throw out the alarm panel and the keypads and buy
>>> something
>>> else you can install your self. Everything else should be reusable
>>> although
>>> you might have to look for buried resistors if they put them at the end
>>> of
>>> the line and remove them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <todd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:843b90jvbk.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> |
>>> | Hello,
>>> |
>>> | I'm new here as well, and have looked for a FAQ for the group and came
>>> | up empty, and I hope my question isn't too basic!
>>> |
>>> | I've recently moved into a home that has a Brinks alarm system
>>> | installed, looks to have been installed in 2004.  We opted not to
>>> | continue the rather pricey monthly monitoring service given the
>>> | neighborhood, and the proportion of time we spend at home.  (The prior
>>> | owners I'm told were working out of the country and had it installed
>>> | due to their absence).
>>> |
>>> | Anyway, we have all this hardware, wired door and window sensors,
>>> | other sensors labeled as "PIR" devices (passive infrared if my
>>> | research is to believed?) inside the control box that I assume are the
>>> | motion detectors I see up on the walls of various locations in the
>>> | house.  I'm thinking there's got to be a way to put all these goodies
>>> | to use with a do it yourself sort of setup that maybe could leverage
>>> | an internet or phone connection to call my cell phone in case of
>>> | trouble.
>>> |
>>> | The main box of the alarm has a circuit board that's about 8x4" with
>>> | no real identifying marks on it.  I would have to assume I'd have to
>>> | get a new controller board for the DIY system and then just re-use all
>>> | the existing sensors?
>>> |
>>> | Anyone with experience doing the same?
>>> |
>>> | Thanks for any insight or advice, or a pointer to some good jumpstart
>>> | resources for reading/research.
>>> |
>>> | Best Regards,
>>> | Todd
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