Re: Great deal, great product.

["FIRETEK" <firetech(change-the-ch-to-k)@telus.net>]

Posted on the 22nd.

Regards,

Frank

"Frank Olson" <Use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:6veUf.174198$B94.74403@xxxxxxxxxxx
> I know this probably won't do any good, but I just gotta give it the
> "old college try".
>
> Firetek wrote:
> >>Like me, he look's to be a "first timer" here, probably hasn't
> >>taken the time to familiarize himself with the Group's FAQ
> >>and isn't aware that the majority of individuals that post here are
> >>actually in the trade.
> >
> >
>
> Robert responded:
> > The "FAQ" you're talking about was written by someone who hasn't
> > posted here more than once or twice in several years.  It was not
> > voted into authority by anyone and it has been completely ignored
> > by almost everyone who regularly posts here since it was written.
>
> That is patently untrue and doesn't explain why, when *you* don't post
> into the Group (captial "G") for several weeks, people here tend to
> follow the FAQ.  No one bad-mouths you while you're gone (it takes about
> four or five days for the animosity to die down and the response
> messages to your posts to disappear of the servers).
>
> Robert continues:
> > The above doesn't even address the facts that (1) in ALT
> > newsgroups there really are no rules;
>
> You point out "the obvious".  There is "Netiquette" though, and it
> appears you know as much about that, as you do about "ethics" (in this
> Group).  Why is it you don't flood CHA or any of the other DIY forums
> with your "PR" posts?  Because people there won't tolerate it.  People
> here don't either, but your attitude toward the trade in general and
> your own past experiences in it have so prejudiced you that you take
> every opportunity you can to put it (and the people in it) down.
>
> You have so much going for you, and would probably really benefit the
> most from participating here if you weren't so "egotesticle",
> self-centered, and arrogant.  You have no compunction putting down the
> same people that respond to questions from the public and who don't have
> the same transparent agenda you do.  Your standard line is that everyone
> here is against "DIY", and I have yet to see one participant here voice
> that opinion.  There are plenty of "off colour" remarks, though, and
> it's these you hold up to support your argument.  I would like you to
> show me where "Firetek" once slammed DIY.  I can count the number of
> informative links to manufacturer's websites you've posted on one hand.
>   The number of links to your store, OTOH, number in the "thousands".
> Unlike the "thousands" of systems you've sold though, the facts about
> the links are far easier to document.
>
>
> > (2) that in this particular
> > newsgroup there are a large number of folks who wouldn't obey any
> > rules if they existed;
>
> You're wrong about that again.  Read what I stated earlier about what
> happens in your many "absences".
>
>
> > and finally (3) authority does not accrue
> > to any document that anyone who posts in an ALT newsgroup decides
> > to write, least of all Steve R's proposed (it was never
> > "enacted") FAQ.
>
> And even if it was "enacted", you wouldn't abide by it.  Steve
> frequently had problems with you, and both privately and publicly asked
> you to step into line and follow the Group's FAQ.  Read the originating
> message again, Robert.  Where does it say anywhere that this is a forum
> in which to flog your wares?  Frank (Firetek) mentioned that what you're
> doing here is akin to paying for a booth at ISC and trying to sell to
> end users.  This is an *INDUSTRY* related forum.
>
> Not-with-standing the above, the FAQ (and origninating message) does
> mention interaction with the general public.  It is however not intended
> as a marketing tool the way you seem to interpret and exploit it.  Most
> of the participants here object to your behaviour publically.  Some are
> far more polite (like RHC, Jim Rojas, and Bob La Londe).  I don't think
> it takes a "rocket scientist" to know what Jack Stevens or Mark Leuck
> think about you, though.  I wonder how much more business Jim Rojas
> receives when other people post links to his store.  No one here posts
> links to yours.  In CHA, I've never seen a single individual recommend
> or post a link to your store either.  They appreciate your
> participation, but I don't think they favour you with business.  Your
> reputation in Usenet leaves much to be desired and I won't mention (or
> post) the "other item".
>
>
> >
> > You may or may not realize this but the only authority over what
> > can be posted to a newsgroup is the AUP of the service provider
> > of the poster.  In short, there are no rules.  That is why most
> > of the IB are still able to post here.  If there were rules,
> > these folks would have been barred years ago.
>
> I think it would be the other way around actually.  Most of the
> participants here would vote to have you ousted in a heart-beat.  Some
> have even tried.
>
>
> >
> > Your turn.
>
>
> And then you criticize him for "conversing" with you.  Typical.
>
> Frank Olson
> http://www.yoursecuritysource.com