Re: Hypocrisy part deux

["I brive a dus" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx>]

FIRETEK (change-the-ch-to-k) wrote:
> In Line.
>
> "I brive a dus" <alarminstall@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1166770824.796992.260260@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> > I am by no means a fan of the DIY market although it provides
> > know-it-all customers a different avenue to travel rather than dialing
> > my number to annoy me with their nonsense. I lost a deal to a DIYer
> > last year and was happy with the outcome. The customer just knew too
> > much about everything and even knew alot about nothing's second cousin
> > something. He was the Time Life How To Do Everything book author.
> >
> > I am also no fan of double standards. There are other DIY characters
> > and folks with alterior motives that post here regularly that don't
> > poke the beehive by publically posting info, and don't stir the pot.
> > Does that make them any better? I mean if a guy steals 1 of your
> > watches and you find out about it while someone else steals another
> > watch and you never know it's missing is the first guy guilty and the
> > second gets a walk or are they both thieves? A thief is a thief is a
> > thief.
> > We have posters here offering to unlock proprietary panels, renting
> > proprietary programmers, and selling access to proprietary installation
> > manuals. What's your thoughts on them? They are stealing but when have
> > you ever questioned them?
>
> 1.  How do you know the panels they "unlock" are "proprietary"? <

Using the 2 obvious choices as examples.......Brinks and ADT panels
remain the property of the respective companies at all times. Anyone
outside of those companies who unlocks those boards is either using
confidential information or hacking systems that don't belong to them.

How ethical is that?

> 2.  Whom do they "rent" the "proprietary programmers" to?<

Anyone willing to pay the price

>  And why would any
> self respecting alarm dealer want to re-use some of the "junk" that's out
> there (I'm referring of course to "AlarmForce, Brinks, and NextAlarm")? <

Because they are ethically challenged? How would you feel if someone
hacked your fire panels and flipped your customers over to their
company? You broke your ass installing the system and some wiseass with
a modem and your lockout code is snagging your accounts. That wouldn't
bother you, Frank?

> > What's your thoughts on other DIY stores being listed on websites
> > authored by ASA posters?
>
> As long as they don't "shill" their products, I've no problem.  I note that
> most seem to respect the FAQ.  The two exceptions are _both_ idiots. <

So as long as you don't know about it then it's acceptable?
There's more than 2 that hawk their wares here, and more than 2 idiots
(you forgot to count me).  I've been coming here for 8+ years and that
FAQ nonsense is just as meaningless today as it was back then. This is
an alt. newsgroup. This is not a moderated forum. The guy who wrote
that isn't here but is referred to in some god-like status. In the time
I have been here I have seen every attempt possible made at preventing
the group from being used as a billboard. I was involved in alot of
those attempts. What a waste of my time that was. It's just a shame
that others still haven't realized they too are wasting time.

> > If you want to bash the guy for whatever reason then have at it. Throw
> > dukes with him until your knuckles fall off but for crying out loud
> > shut the fuck up already with the ethics nonsense. If the Ethics police
> > ever raided this place we'd all be cellmates.
>
> I doubt that. <

I disagree and for reasons stated in my original post.

> > Bass Home is no more a threat to my business than the corner deli. Like
> > I said, I hate the concept of DIY but I've accepted the fact it is here
> > to stay. These DIY sites can move their "headquarters" to states that
> > have no license requirements with the flick of a wrist so it's wasting
> > time and resources even trying to fight them. Distributors are the only
> > ones who can put an end to it but they never met a dollar they didn't
> > like.
>
> On that we can agree.  I don't think any distributor should be selling
> product to someone that isn't licensed (or qualified) in their
> State/Province. <

Licenses mean diddly dick right now.
I can grab a license in umpteen states by signing a check.
Many states offer licensing tests online so who is to prevent someone
from having another person take the test for them?
If Robert or anyone else wanted a license they could have one through
various means.