Re: Wire prices

["Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:BrudnRa-ZsVVjhbYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> "Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >> Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,
>> >> you need to put a ground in the grounding lug...
>> >
>> > I will be glad to once the AHJ says I have to, and does me the favor of
> pointing out exactly where this ground lug is. I have not
>> > come across one on a plastic back box.
>>
>> They're in Olson's mind.  Petem hasn't any experience or knowledge so
> Olson is able to snow him deeper than Denver's airport.
>>
>> All kidding aside, there are some NMC boxes available with a ground lug.
> It's there for convenience in connecting stuff.  If the
>> item needs grounding and the lug is there, use it.  Otherwise, use a wire
> nut.
>
> So you too are now suggesting grounding
> a plastic box after years of ragging Frank....

Olson needs a rag.  However, you've posted more about his plastic box gaff than I ever did.  His error was in claiming that one must
ground a plastic box.  That is of course absurd.  The lug is provided on some boxes but not to ground the box itself.  It's just a
convenient place to connect a device ground.  Nothing in code requires you to ground an NMC box nor are the boxes themselves
required to have a ground lug.

>> In Olson's original gaff on this subject
>> he thought that the lug must always be
>> used.  That is of course absurd.
>
> Funny you never mentioned that until now

I rarely mentioned his stupid post on this subject at all.  It's for his other lies that I usually smack him.  You don't know
anything about flying so the absurdity of his entire series of lies about that goes way over your head.  You also wouldn't
understand the physical impossibility of the lie he told about the ladder.  I'll give you a hint though.  In the fictitious
electrified ladder story, Olson claimed that the top of the ladder was on the superstructure of this building.  Any electrical
cabinet at such a location would *never* be recessed.  The ladder would have been leaning against the same surface as the fictional
electrical cabinet.  He claimed he was part way up the ladder when it magically jumped off that surface *with his weight on it*,
shifted sideways and then dropped back down into the electrical cabinet.  There are principles of physics --- you know, things like
gravity -- which say that the whole story was pure bullfrank.

I realize that you know nothing about airplanes so it is excusable if you fell for the "737 snap-roll" story.  I don't know if you
are stupid enough to believe the levitating ladder story, too.

Now let's look at Olson's claims of doing all manner of major fire alarms in high rise buildings, etc.  If there were one shred of
truth to those tales, there would be lots of people in the trade in his area who know him.  After he started calling my suppliers in
an effort to hurt my business I decided to find out more about Frank Olson.  I checked with every major supplier in and around
Vancouver.  None ever heard of him.  I also contacted inspectors in and around Burnaby (where he says he is) and Vancouver.  The
result was the same.  No one knew of him.  I posted a question about him on a local (to him) forum.  No reply.

I did finally find one person in the personnel department of one company in the area who said he had once worked their briefly but
had been terminated.  I don't know if that was by his choice or theirs.  Asked if he could come back if he wanted to, she said no.
In all fairness (not that he deserves it), most employers would say that about anyone who left, regardless of the circumstances.
What that phone call did establish is that Frank Olson did briefly work for an alarm dealer.  It's his name, alright.  What the rest
tells us is that he is not an installer any more and he has not done any of the great projects he claims he has.  In short, the
man's a pathological liar.  He makes some like you seem almost honest by comparison.