Re: DSC Maxsys PC 4020 Reporting Probs. UPDATE

["Frank Olson" <feolson@xxxxxxxxxx>]

"Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:hLudnYg9jqBwmerfRVn-2w@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> There's no way you will ever admit having been wrong.
>>
>> Well...  you were wrong about connecting AC
>> smoke alarms to a security panel being against
>> code...
>
> I didn't say that it's against code to connect them.  I said you need to
> use a device that is listed for the purpose for your (US) installation to
> be code compliant.  On that I was correct.

Only if you're connecting them to a listed and *certified* fire alarm
*system*.  Most home security panels don't qualify as *fire alarms* and they
never will.  If you read your original message in the post "Fireside Chat",
you go on and on about how you can't do this to a listed fire alarm system.
Al was not speaking about this type of system.  You then went on to say that
he was *totally wrong* and furthermore even suggested that what he'd
proposed was against code!  There is nothing wrong with connecting AC smoke
alarms to a home security panel (or auto dialler) through a relay that's:

1.  designed to operate *with the smoke alarms and
2.  not prevent them from functioning in the manner for which they were
designed

You still won't admit you were wrong, but continue to throw up some lame
argument that had nothing to do with Al's suggestion or the fact that there
is *NO US CODE* that would prohibit a homeowner from doing what Al
suggested.



> I also said that there are no relays which are listed for the purpose.

There are relays that are designed to operate with practically every smoke
alarm on the market.  Some (like the Firex 499) carry a manufacturer's
disclaimer that states they're not *recommended* for interconnection to an
alarm system, but that's not a code issue.  The Firex relays will "cycle"
when power is first applied to them.  This will result in a false alarm on
the zone you've connected it to.

> I was wrong about that.

You've been wrong about a lot more than that.  You refuse to admit it
though.  It appears  I know more about the NEC than even you do.

> Someone finally found and posted a link to one manufacturer's site where a
> relay listed for the purpose is shown.

Yeah.  And until I posted the specific chapter and verse in the NEC about
the fact that it *is* permissible to connect your home smoke alarms to a
security control you kept telling me it was "against code".  At one point in
time you even said that you didn't "have the time or inclination" to look
through the NEC and had the audacity to suggest that because I "lived in
Canada" my comments shouldn't be considered.  I'd suggest you buy yourself
the latest copy of the NEC (2002) so that the next time you decide to argue
with someone about "US Code", you have the facts to hand.