Re: NiCE what Honeywell/Ademco has done

["justsomeguy" <justsomeguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Frank Olson" <Use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:M47mf.77396$Eq5.18074@xxxxxxxxxxx
> justsomeguy wrote:
>> A couple points on this one then you can all pile on me
>>
>> 1.    I noticed that when Smitty posted the residential Dealers link url
>> from the Web site it was only 4 links nested into the home page, Serious
>> threat of being seen there huh?
>
> "Smitty's" original post is off of my server, but I'm sure he wasn't the
> one that posted the Dealer login and password.  That was Bass.

Had nothing to do with my point,
Average user is not going to go to mfg. as they don't install, let alone 4
sub directories in



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>>
>> 2.    Every year upon time for contract renewal all of your favorite
>> manufacturers submit their products and best pricing to each of these
>> national installation companies. (All of them) It has been that way since
>> there were large National Dealers. Alot of you previously used Moose (in
>> another life) they did it, Napco does it, All of the divisions making up
>> GE and Honeywell did it even before they were acquired.



>
> I don't know what part of the solar system you've been in lately, but the
> wholesalers I deal with give me their best pricing regardless.  If I found
> out otherwise...  well... let's just say "the chop" is the least of their
> worries...


I am in that part of the solar system that tells the truth, and after
installing for my folks company, then running my own business worked for
manufacturer for the past 18 years,

If it makes you feel good to think you get the same price and Brinks, ADT,
Rollins, Priority One etc you keep telling yourself so, (your rep is smiling
all the way to the bank)

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>> 3.     If Smitty has done any amount of serious installs then there are
>> customers of his that have contracted large jobs on a repeat basis and if
>> that customer wanted his company to add links to his web site or give
>> quantity pricing (or jump through other hoops) then any reasonable
>> business person would do it. (or let me guess you are all in this for the
>> betterment of mankind)
>
> As an alarm DEALER, I would never publish or provide the user name and
> password to a manufacturer's (or whole-salers) secure dealer-only site.
> You have only to read their terms and conditions to see why.  If the
> customer that contracted "large jobs" with me "on a repeat basis", wanted
> access, I would be asking "why?"  What can he get from a Dealer only site
> that he couldn't get from me directly??  I can't think of a single thing
> (although I'm sure RLB can - and will - post).

Again had nothing to to with my point, RLB and I had our own issues about
past panels and current opinions, my point is that Honeywell did nothing to
harm small dealers by posting National Companies on the dealer page. RLB had
no relevance to that point...
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>
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>> 4.    Independent dealers are an important part of Honeywell's Customer
>> base. Large organizations like Honeywell or any of our competitors can
>> not afford to place all of our eggs in one basket any more than you can.
>> How bad did it hurt your business when Mosler went down?
>
> I was working for Chubb.  I seem to remember it was "Chubb/Mosler" at one
> time...  and no... it didn't "hurt us"...  ;-)

Either way its dead and it left owing beacoup of folks money
>
>
>> Where were you when Aritech was hanging on by a thread  just before
>> Sentrol purchased them? (ADT kept the lights on in the old Moose plant in
>> Hickory in those days)
>
> I was installing and servicing Racal, Ademco, and DSC products. Couldn't
> care less about "Aritech"..

Then clearly question was not aimed at you but if you think you get the same
price or better that another division of TYCO gives its own company then you
are visiting the next solar system.
>
>
>> Anybody remember Arius? Yea, the outstanding accounts receivable due by
>> the thousands of independent dealers did them alot of good huh?
>
> Heard of 'em...  Can't say their "folding" had any direct effect on me (or
> my business)...

If all you can say is heard of em then you were never in the bus at the time
of the dist. wars of the late '80s give me a break

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>
>>
>>  If you are serious about this then ask yourself a question,
>>
>> Have I contacted my inside sales rep. at Honeywell and introduced myself
>> and do I know her by name so that if she gets a call from an end user in
>> my territory looking for service or install, I will be among  folks that
>> she list?
>
> Gawd!!!  I hope he *won't*...  We're booked solid into the New Year as it
> is!!!

Amazes me that so many dealers post that they got so much work yet they post
way into the nite and thru the day, guess the elves are their installers,
Further with all this work they complain about some guy selling direct to
end users. seem illogical to me.
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>
>> Have I made sure that she has my correct phone and contact info?
>
> "He" sure does...
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>>
>> well gotta go now so flame on!
>
> Grrrrrrr!!!!
> I'm sure your Mom is askin':  "Where did I go wrong?"  :-)

Had lunch with her today, she said no matter what Frank says she still loves
me,,,;^)