Re: Re: xPLHal hung on startup - but working!

[steve.cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

One problem you might be seeing with the HV app is that if the normal HV
software isn't running when xpl_hvision starts it fails to connect using
the DDE.  There is an outstanding bug to get it to try and reconnect.  The
easiest why to see if you have good communications with HV is to expand the
xpl_hvision window and there are some extra boxes just off screen that
should you the DDE activity.

S.


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"Bob Gardner"
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gte.net>

12/12/2004
00:54
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Hi Frank,

I actually got my determinators to work.  What I had to do was start
everything manually and in the correct order.  I had to set the
service to manual, and take xPLHvision out of the startup folder.
Then I rebooted the PC, started the xPLHal service, and then started
xPLHvision.  When I did everything in this order, things seemed to
begin working correctly.  I guess the secret will be figuring out how
to get the service to start cleanly withough hanging.

I'll keep plugging away.

Thanks,

Bob

--- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc Alinden" <fmcalind@b...>
wrote:
> Hi Bob
>             Just to be sure ...try and activate the  x10 device from
> Homevision x10 screen....
> can you copy and paste into an email the commands that are recorded
in
> xplmonitor whan you press a button on your rf remote  please........
> Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Gardner" <gardner.bob@g...>
> To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:26 AM
> Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on startup
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > Well I figured out the 5 seconds.  There is another config item
> > called lastsent that was set to 5.  I set it to 3 and the confirm
> > message was 3 seconds later.  I lalso tried 500 ms for the dde
config
> > item but that still didn't get the message through to
Homevision.  I
> > also shut down ACE and that didn't seem to change anything.
Still no
> > Homevision activity.
> >
> > Any other ideas?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc Alinden"
<fmcalind@b...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Bob
> > >
> > > > 11/12/04 14:25:44
> > > >
> > > > xpl-trig
> > > > {
> > > > hop=1
> > > > source=gshed-hvision.homecontro105634
> > > > target=*
> > > > }
> > > > x10.confirm
> > > > {
> > > > command=ON
> > > > device=F16
> > > > name=Air Compressor
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Does this all look OK?
> > >
> > > Yes that looks ok...so it should have turned on the
compressor ????
> > only
> > > issue is the 5 seconds...
> > >
> > >
> > > > ACE has a Homevision DDE monitor that I can open and I
never
see
> > any
> > > > DDE messages form xPL.  Is there something else that I
might
need
> > to
> > > > configure for the xPL DDE?
> > >
> > > Go back into xplmanager and click on xpl devices click on
xpl
> > hvision and
> > > have a look at the
> > > ddespeed setting (not sure what the initial value is) i have
mine
> > set to 500
> > > and works ok....
> > > If this doesnt speed things up i would suggest closing the
ace
app
> > and then
> > > retry to see if that makes any difference...
> > >
> > > The only dde enabling is done in hv and i assume this is
already
> > done if ace
> > > is using dde
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Gardner" <gardner.bob@g...>
> > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:33 AM
> > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on startup
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Frank,
> > > >
> > > > Still plugging away.  The second instance of hvision is
gone
now
> > and
> > > > everything appears good.  Still get three messages in
the xPL
> > monitor
> > > > window when I press a button on the remote, but still
get no
> > action
> > > > from Homevision.  I thought it might help if I copied
the
script
> > from
> > > > the hvision windows.  When I press the button I see
this in
the RX
> > > > window:
> > > >
> > > > 11/12/04 14:25:39
> > > >
> > > > xpl-cmnd
> > > > {
> > > > hop=1
> > > > source=XPL-XPLHAL.HOMECONTROL1
> > > > target=GSHED-HVISION.HOMECONTRO105634
> > > > }
> > > > x10.basic
> > > > {
> > > > command=on
> > > > device=F16
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > The 5 seconds later I see this in both the TX and RX
window:
> > > >
> > > > 11/12/04 14:25:44
> > > >
> > > > xpl-trig
> > > > {
> > > > hop=1
> > > > source=gshed-hvision.homecontro105634
> > > > target=*
> > > > }
> > > > x10.confirm
> > > > {
> > > > command=ON
> > > > device=F16
> > > > name=Air Compressor
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Does this all look OK?
> > > >
> > > > ACE has a Homevision DDE monitor that I can open and I
never
see
> > any
> > > > DDE messages form xPL.  Is there something else that I
might
need
> > to
> > > > configure for the xPL DDE?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc Alinden"
> > <fmcalind@b...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > > I figured out the plugin thing and updated
all of the
plugins
> > so
> > > > that
> > > > > > the monitor would work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats good....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >When I press a button on an RF remote, I
> > > > > > see a CMND type message to Homevision and a
TRIG message
from
> > the
> > > > > > W800 and then about 5 seconds later I see a
TRIG message
from
> > > > > > Homevision.  The first two messages are
X10.BASIC and the
> > third
> > > > one
> > > > > > is an X10.CONFIRM.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats correct although the 5 seconds later is too
long this
> > could
> > > > be due to
> > > > > having  two instances of xplhvision running......
> > > > >
> > > > > >One thing I see is that
> > > > > > somehow I have managed to get two copies of
the HV plugin
in
> > the
> > > > xPL
> > > > > > devices.  Don't know if this is contributing
or not
> > > > >
> > > > > In the tray at the bottom there are xpl icons
,move the
mouse
> > over
> > > > then to
> > > > > see if there are two gshed-hvision,s...if so right
click on
one
> > and
> > > > close it
> > > > > .....
> > > > >
> > > > > >so I get a
> > > > > > dialog box that says Homevision isn't running
and I need
to
> > start
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep thats correct hv must be running first
> > > > >
> > > > > > The next thing I need to figure out is this
message that
the
> > > > xPLHal
> > > > > > service hung at startup.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry  John / Tony will have to help here........
> > > > >
> > > > > > I also got some DS10A remote sensors and they
work
great.  I
> > look
> > > > > > forward to Mal adding this capability at some
point they
will
> > be
> > > > very
> > > > > > helpful for remote wireless sensing.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Im sure he will do his best to have the update
done in the
very
> > near
> > > > > future...
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bob Gardner"
<gardner.bob@g...>
> > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:24 AM
> > > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on startup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Frank,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for sticking with me - I'm really
close.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I figured out the plugin thing and updated
all of the
plugins
> > so
> > > > that
> > > > > > the monitor would work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do have my W800 and I can see the commands
in the
monitor
> > > > window.
> > > > > > Following your directions to George, I tried
to add a few
> > > > > > determinators.  I started with easy ones that
receive X10
> > signals
> > > > > > from the W800 and send X10 commands to HV. 
In the
monitor,
> > > > > > everything appears to work.  When I press a
button on an
RF
> > > > remote, I
> > > > > > see a CMND type message to Homevision and a
TRIG message
from
> > the
> > > > > > W800 and then about 5 seconds later I see a
TRIG message
from
> > > > > > Homevision.  The first two messages are
X10.BASIC and the
> > third
> > > > one
> > > > > > is an X10.CONFIRM.  Unfortunately Homevision
never
responds
> > to the
> > > > > > command and doesn't send an X10 signal.  One
thing I see
is
> > that
> > > > > > somehow I have managed to get two copies of
the HV plugin
in
> > the
> > > > xPL
> > > > > > devices.  Don't know if this is contributing
or not.  I
have
> > > > tried to
> > > > > > delete one but haven't figured out how to do
that - any
> > > > suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need to have this PC reboot and start
everything
unattended
> > for
> > > > > > when we are not here - power glitches, etc.,
so I tried to
> > put the
> > > > > > xPLHvision fle in the startup folder.  This
works but it
> > seems to
> > > > > > start up before Homevision which is in the
same folder so
I
> > get a
> > > > > > dialog box that says Homevision isn't running
and I need
to
> > start
> > > > > > it.  I think I can fix this by starting
xp\PLHvision from
a
> > macro
> > > > > > that does some other configuration things at
startup.
I'll
> > try
> > > > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next thing I need to figure out is this
message that
the
> > > > xPLHal
> > > > > > service hung at startup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also got some DS10A remote sensors and they
work
great.  I
> > look
> > > > > > forward to Mal adding this capability at some
point they
will
> > be
> > > > very
> > > > > > helpful for remote wireless sensing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc
Alinden"
> > > > <fmcalind@b...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Bob
> > > > > > >             I will try and answer some
questions ,hopefully
> > John
> > > > > > will answer
> > > > > > > the hard ones ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > xPLHAL issue John will have to advise
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Now that this is done, do I need to
do anything with
the
> > > > > > > > xPLHvision.exe file like put it
into the startup
folder
> > or is
> > > > it
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > installed in xPLHal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my setup i start it manually
everytime after the pc
boots
> > > > up.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >However, when I
> > > > > > > > select the monitor in xPLHal, I get
a message that the
> > xpl-
> > > > schema-
> > > > > > > > collection.xml file is missing and
I must upgrade it
in
> > the
> > > > > > plugins
> > > > > > > > folder.  What is this all about?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You have installed the xplhvision app
and w800
app...these
> > > > plugin
> > > > > > files have
> > > > > > > information regarding the apps ...Having
this info
makes it
> > nice
> > > > > > and easy to
> > > > > > > create Determinators...
> > > > > > > In the mani screen of xPLHAL  click on
help , then
plugin
> > > > > > library..this will
> > > > > > > bring up the  plugin  screen , select
all and then
OK.....a
> > > > little
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > > later it will say all the  plugins are
loaded.......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Once this is fixed, am I correct
> > > > > > > > that I should be able to at least
monitor the W800RF
> > messages?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If all is ok yes you should see messages
from the
> > w800...Have
> > > > you
> > > > > > received
> > > > > > > your w800 ??
> > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Bob Gardner"
<gardner.bob@g...>
> > > > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:17 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on
startup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well I set the service to Manual,
rebooted, and then
> > started
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > service.  It started fine - took
about 5 seconds and
no
> > > > errors.  I
> > > > > > > > followed your recommendations,
opened xPLHal Manager
and
> > > > > > configured
> > > > > > > > xPLHal and xPLHal showed up under
xPL Devices just as
you
> > > > said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then I put the service back in
automatic and rebooted
and
> > had
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > same problem.  I get a dialog box
that says some
service
> > has
> > > > > > failed
> > > > > > > > to start and to review the event
viewer.  When I look
at
> > the
> > > > > > viewer,
> > > > > > > > it says that xPLHal service has
hung on startup.
Although
> > > > when I
> > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > into services it shows that the
service is running
fine.
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get Windows to stop thinking the
service has hung -
any
> > ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since I got that far, I also ran
the xPLHvision.exe
> > plugin and
> > > > > > > > installed the W800RF plugin.  The I
went into xPLHal
> > manager
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > configured them both so that they
now show up as xPL
> > devices.
> > > > > > > > Question - Now that this is done,
do I need to do
anything
> > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > xPLHvision.exe file like put it
into the startup
folder
> > or is
> > > > it
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > installed in xPLHal and I don't
need to do anything
else
> > with
> > > > it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So now I figure I should at least
be able to go into
the
> > > > monitor
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > see messages being sent from the
W800RF receiver.
> > However,
> > > > when I
> > > > > > > > select the monitor in xPLHal, I get
a message that the
> > xpl-
> > > > schema-
> > > > > > > > collection.xml file is missing and
I must upgrade it
in
> > the
> > > > > > plugins
> > > > > > > > folder.  What is this all about? 
Once this is fixed,
am I
> > > > correct
> > > > > > > > that I should be able to at least
monitor the W800RF
> > messages?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Progress seems slow but there is a
lot to learn.
Thanks
> > for
> > > > all
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > help so far.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "John
B" <home-
> > > > automation@j...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So far I have installed
the .NET framework, the
DevCom
> > > > > > > > installation
> > > > > > > > > > package and xPLHal.  The
problem is that, when I
> > boot, I
> > > > get a
> > > > > > > > > > message that a service
has not started.  When I
look
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > Event
> > > > > > > > > > Viewer, the message is
that the xPLHal service
hung
> > during
> > > > > > > > startup.
> > > > > > > > > > When I look at services
it says that the xPLHal
> > service is
> > > > > > > > running.
> > > > > > > > > > I also notice that the
computer mouse is very
sluggish
> > > > all of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > sudden.  If I disable the
service and reboot
> > everything is
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Try setting the service
startup type to "Manual" -
this
> > will
> > > > > > > > prevent it from starting
automatically when Windows
> > starts,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > should help to debug the problem.
> > > > > > > > > Then, reboot your computer,
and once it's rebooted,
try
> > > > starting
> > > > > > > > the xPLHal service manually
(right-click on xPLHal in
the
> > > > list of
> > > > > > > > services and click Start).
> > > > > > > > > See how long the service takes
to start - it
shouldn't
> > be
> > > > more
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > a few seconds.
> > > > > > > > > (maybe 8-10 seconds max.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Once started (assuming it does
start with no
errors),
> > open
> > > > up
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > xPLHal Manager (there should be a
link under your
Start
> > > > > > Menu/Programs
> > > > > > > > for xPLHal Manager).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When xPLHal Manager starts up,
click on xPL Devices
and
> > see
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > anything is listed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then expand the xPL Devices
node in the tree and
click
> > on
> > > > > > Awaiting
> > > > > > > > Configuration - again, see if
anything is listed.
> > > > > > > > > If you see something like
XPL-XPLHAL.<your computer
> > name>1
> > > > > > listed
> > > > > > > > under the awaiting configuration
node, double-click
on it.
> > > > > > > > > This will bring up it's
configuration screen.
> > > > > > > > > Select "newconf"
from the list of configurable items
> > > > (probably
> > > > > > > > already selected by default) and
enter a name for your
> > xPLHal
> > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > >  you may just want to use your
computer name.
> > > > > > > > > Click OK to close the config
dialog.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now, when you look under the
xPL Devices node, you
> > should
> > > > see
> > > > > > > > xPLHal listed, along with the new
name that you've
given
> > it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know how you get on
with the above -
hopefully
> > we can
> > > > > > > > pinpoint what the problem could be
depend on how much
of
> > the
> > > > above
> > > > > > > > works for you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
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