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Love my old HomeVision. Shame I can't use it any more. Would be great to
ha=
ve the benefits of all these systems without the disadvantages.
Homeseer definitely supports z-wave via a dongle etc. Not sure about
zigbee=
- are there any zigbee dongles out there?
Paul.
On 2 Jan 2016, at 13:04, Phil Harris phil@xxxxxxx<mailto:phil@avaddict.=
tv> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
This is basically what's holding me back from buying a SmartThings hub ...
=
As I said before, I'm really not at all comfortable using something that
*H=
AS* to rely on using a manufacturer end server that we rely on the good
wil=
l of the manufacturer to continue to host.
What we 'need' is - basically - a current day HomeVision that supports
ZigB=
ee / z-wave ... I had been wondering about HomeSeer and running it on a
loc=
al mini PC but I don't think HomeSeer supports ZigBee does it?
(It supports one of the 'Z' formats and I keep getting them confused and
ca=
n't remember which is which.)
Phil
Sent from another bloody fruit-based portable device...
On 2 Jan 2016, at 12:49, Kevin Hawkins yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx<mailto:=
yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Although the control of Hue lamps from ST is pretty fast it still doesn't
a=
chieve this via local control on your network. Incredulously it goes via
bo=
th the ST cloud and the Hue cloud when using a Hue hub. This means that
ST=
can't control your Hue lights if your Internet is down. A quick disconnect=
of the Internet cable from your router will ascertain if a device has loca=
l control from ST.
The status of my Hue lights as shown in ST is frequently wrong and doesn't
=
correct even after hours. This means you can't use Hue status as a
trigger=
or the Hue switch to control a ST device. If you pair the Hue bulbs direct=
ly to the ST hub , thus not using the Hue hub, then you might get local
co=
ntrol at a reduced functionality level. The Hue switch will pair with the
S=
T hub but seems to drop out after a few hours., possibly something Philips
=
has implemented to keep you loyal to their system.
The only thing that the ST hub can control locally are some ZigBee devices
=
(ST supplied devices are ZigBee) and I believe a handful of Z-Wave
devices.=
No Ethernet device can (as yet) be locally controlled. Also if you modify=
the device code for any local device away from the ST approved template th=
en it is considered a custom device and won't run locally. Local devices
ha=
ve to have drivers supplied in firmware so can only be added via ST via a
f=
irmware update ... that's a humdinger of a restriction if you think about
i=
t.
You can check which devices and Apps are considered local to your hub with
=
these links Warning :-( you'll likely be disappointed at how few are
list=
ed, I think there's only the single SmartLights App available currently.
https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/localDevice/list
https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/localInstalledSmartApp/list
Aside from the current reliability issues and the still appalling UK
defici=
encies this is my fundamental concern with the ST architecture. The other
=
issues will be fixed over time but this cloud dependency likely won't.
A=
home control system should control your home locally wherever possible not=
relying on Internet connectivity and multiple cloud services. This is for=
speed, reliability and security all of which are impacted by using cloud c=
ontrol.
Samsung have announced they are building the hub into all their 2016 Tizen
=
based TV offerings. The ST hub is a well priced product and currently the
=
only one positioned for mass market, which is a good thing for HA. So I do
=
hope they get their act together - but there's a lot to sort out.
K
On 02/01/2016 11:07, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx<mailto:groups2@sil=
iconpixel.com> [ukha_d] wrote:
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<div>Love my old HomeVision. Shame I can't use it any more. Would be
great to have the benefits of all these systems without the
disadvantages. </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Homeseer definitely supports
z-wave via a dongle etc. Not sure about zigbee - are there any zigbee
dongles out there?<br>
<br>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
0);">Paul.</span></div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 2 Jan 2016, at 13:04, Phil Harris <a href="mailto:phil@xxxxxxx";>phil@xxxxxxx</a>
[ukha_d] <<a href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<div>This is basically what's holding me back from buying a
SmartThings hub ... As I said before, I'm really not at all comfortable
using something that *HAS* to rely on using a manufacturer end server that
we rely on the good will of the manufacturer to continue
to host.</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">What we 'need' is - basically
- a current day HomeVision that supports ZigBee / z-wave ... I had been
wondering about HomeSeer and running it on a local mini PC but I don't
think HomeSeer supports ZigBee does it?</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">(It supports one of the 'Z'
formats and I keep getting them confused and can't remember which is
which.)</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>
Phil
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sent from another bloody fruit-based portable
device...</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 2 Jan 2016, at 12:49, Kevin Hawkins <a href="mailto:yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx";>
yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Although the control of Hue
lamps from ST is pretty fast it still doesn't achieve this via local
control on your network. Incredulously it goes via both the ST cloud and
the Hue cloud when using a Hue hub. This means that ST can't
control your Hue lights if your Internet is down. A quick disconnect of the
Internet cable from your router will ascertain if a device has local
control from ST.
<br>
<br>
The status of my Hue lights as shown in ST is frequently wrong and doesn't
correct even after hours. This means you can't use Hue status as
a trigger or the Hue switch to control a ST device. If you pair the Hue
bulbs directly to the ST hub , thus not using
the Hue hub, then you might get local control at a reduced
functionality level. The Hue switch will pair with the ST hub but seems to
drop out after a few hours., possibly something Philips has implemented to
keep you loyal to their system.<br>
<br>
The only thing that the ST hub can control locally are some ZigBee devices
(ST supplied devices are ZigBee) and I believe a handful of Z-Wave devices.
No Ethernet device can (as yet) be locally controlled. Also if
you modify the device code for any local device
away from the ST approved template then it is considered a custom device
and won't run locally. Local devices have to have drivers supplied in
firmware so can only be added via ST via a firmware update ... that's a
humdinger of a restriction if you think about
it.<br>
<br>
You can check which devices and Apps are considered local to your hub with
these links Warning :-( you'll likely be disappointed
at how few are listed, I think there's only the single
SmartLights App available currently.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/localDevice/list";>https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/localDevice/list</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/localInstalledSmartApp/list";>https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/localInstalledSmartApp/list</a><br>
<br>
Aside from the current reliability issues and the still appalling UK
deficiencies this is my fundamental concern with the ST
architecture. The other issues will be fixed over time but this
cloud dependency likely won't. A home control system
should control
your home locally wherever possible not relying on Internet connectivity
and multiple cloud services. This is for speed, reliability and
security all of which are impacted by using cloud control.
<br>
<br>
Samsung have announced they are building the hub into all their 2016 Tizen
based TV offerings. The ST hub is a well priced product and
currently the only one positioned for mass market, which is a good thing
for HA. So I do hope they get their act together
- but there's a lot to sort out.<br>
<br>
K<br>
<br>
On 02/01/2016 11:07, Paul Gale <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:groups2@xxxxxxx";>
groups2@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] wrote:<br>
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