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Hi Wayne,
Re the light levels - I guess it depends what you are replacing. If you're
=
used to the old fashioned 150W sun-bright incandescents, then a 60W
equival=
ent is going to look a little dim! ;) I actually find the Philips bulbs
ver=
y bright and certainly bright enough. As a lighting cameraman, I've always
=
very much liked having many levels and types of light in a room, building
u=
p a certain look which makes it very cosy and interesting - rather than a
s=
ingle glaring sun in the centre! Using colour washing Hue lamps has added
t=
o that artistry :)
LED lamps have certainly improved considerably over that last few years. I
=
agree that the early lamps were truly terrible with horrible colour casts
(=
green mainly) and that odd flicker that just catches your attention out of
=
the corner of your eye. I did compare the Philips Hue lamps to a 42W (60W
e=
quivalent) halogen bulb and the colour and brightness was pretty much the
s=
ame (just by eyeballing it). So I was very pleased with that. Certainly
bri=
ght enough for ceiling lamps 'big light!' :)
If you have a Philips Hue hub, that does need to be connected to your
netwo=
rk. Not necessarily the Internet but you'll loose updates (for what that's
=
worth!) and remote control outside of your network. The new Hue dimming
kit=
s don't need the hub - they link directly to the lamp out of the box but
yo=
u can then link them to the hub for wider control. Important to note that
t=
he Hue hub operates the lamps LOCALLY - it doesn't need to go via their
ser=
vers for local control which makes it nice and responsive. ST on the other
=
hand DOES operate via the cloud servers. With the new v2 hub, they have
bro=
ught some processing local to the hub to try and prevent the longer delays
=
and latency that a cloud based service inherently has. Linking the ST hub
t=
o the Hue hub works well as its a local connection so lamps respond
instant=
ly. Status of lamps on ST when not operated via ST can take a few moments
t=
o register though. So yes, ST HAS to be connected to the Internet to
operat=
e.
The RasPi runs the HomeBridge server. This basically enables non-HomeKit
de=
vices to be registered wth the HomeKit database so that Siri knows about
an=
d can control them. Siri is still pretty dumb though - I think it still
nee=
ds a fair bit of development to be really smart. My 'make it Christmas'
phr=
ase is actually a scene setup in the HomeKit database. You can add scenes
v=
ia one of the HomeKit apps like Eve. Once a scene is defined, you can then
=
speak that scene name and HomeKit will trigger those devices as defined.
It=
doesn't actually need the RasPi and HomeBridge to do this with native Home=
Kit enabled kit. If you just have Philips Hue Hub and lamps, you can
extend=
better functionality via Siri this way, just by using the Eve app :) Eve a=
lso enables you to group lamps by room, zones and service groups (e.g.
Desk=
lamps - made up of two lamps on a desk). Philips Hue doesn't natively supp=
ort rooms or zones etc, just scenes, so by using Eve, you can now say
somet=
hing like 'turn on office lights'.
Not sure about controlling HomeKit devices via other means, I've only used
=
it via Siri. HomeKit is basically just a database and is totally hopeless
s=
o far for any kind of automation, which is where ST and other automation
co=
ntrollers come in.
Paul.
On 1 Jan 2016, at 21:05, Wayne Harrison Wayne@xxxxxxx<mailto:Wayne@=
planetwayne.com> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@yahoogroups=
.com>> wrote:
Cool - thanks everyone for filling in on the detail.
Seems a reasonable thing that any =91bulb=92 replacement lights should
oper=
ate as a standard lamp when re-powered so thats cool too. Can just start
to=
replace our normal lights with the Hue Whites and bring them in to the fol=
d so to speak. Has anyone noticed and degrading of light levels over time?
=
Its been a while since I have used any LED type replacements and it didn't
=
take too long for people to notice that it wasn't as bright as it started
o=
ut - to the point we just swapped them all back again.
I take it the Philips gear needs to see the internet to be able to
operate?=
I=92m guessing this from the ability to remotely control your lights etc (=
looking at their example videos).
Is this the same thing with the Samsung SmartThings also? Does it /have/
to=
be connected to their internet accounts or can it call be controlled inter=
nally via custom software etc?
Paul, your trigger command with the video was to =91make it christmas=92
do=
es the Pi server act as a sort of Siri Proxy that can use the power of
Siri=
to pick up on custom commands rather than the =92turn on office light=92 t=
hat you generally see in the Home Kit demos? I=92m guessing looking at the
=
HomeBridge site this is a plug in frame work of sorts that could be custom
=
triggered not just from Siri but other sources as well?
Thanks again all.
Wayne.
On 31 Dec 2015, at 14:40, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx<mailto:groups2=
@siliconpixel.com> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com>> wrote:
Yes that's my video and write up Wayne :)
Glad it's given a bit of inspiration. The log fire video as Mark says, is
a=
Sky on demand video. It's not great but OK. Was nice for Christmas morning=
opening presents :) Was a bit of a last minute addition to make the room m=
ore Christmassy! The other videos they had were truly shockingly bad
though=
! Very poor animation. I could have animated something (my day job) and
sol=
d it to Sky!
As Phil and others say, the hue lamps come on full brightness if manually
p=
ower cycled. What you really want is the new dimmer kit which has a remote
=
on/off/dimmer switch. This is really the missing part of the hue system
and=
can replace a light switch whilst still retaining HA control from other de=
vices (as the lamp is then permanently powered to react to on/off/dim
comma=
nds). What's even nicer with the Philips dimmer is if you assign it to a
fu=
ll scene, it can turn that whole scene on/off and also DIM that scene too.
=
Really nice :) the dimmer switch is actually a small remote that attaches
t=
o the wall plate via magnets so can be used as a remote or left on the
wall=
. The wall plate has screw fix holes or can be mounted via the attached
sti=
cky pads. Very neat solution, nicely made, looks good and I think great
val=
ue at =A330 for controller and a single hue white bulb. Amazon seem to be
o=
ut of stock again (hue stock levels seem to be very poor generally) but is
=
in stock from DmLights (Belgium IIRC). Used them a lot - good delivery and
=
stock levels and great pricing on some hue kit - although anything with
pow=
er plugs are EU type of course so need a 2 pin adapter.
Paul.
On 31 Dec 2015, at 07:46, Mark McCall lists@xxxxxxx<mailto:list=
s@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@yahoo=
groups.com>> wrote:
BTW, the 'DVD' in Paul's video is actually a downloadable Christmas theme
o=
n Sky+ box.
M.
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<div>Hi Wayne,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Re the light levels - I guess it depends what you are replacing.
If yo=
u're used to the old fashioned 150W sun-bright incandescents, then a 60W
eq=
uivalent is going to look a little dim! ;) I actually find the Philips
bulb=
s very bright and certainly bright
enough. As a lighting cameraman, I've always very much liked having many l=
evels and types of light in a room, building up a certain look which makes
=
it very cosy and interesting - rather than a single glaring sun in the
cent=
re! Using colour washing Hue lamps
has added to that artistry :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>LED lamps have certainly improved considerably over that last
few year=
s. I agree that the early lamps were truly terrible with horrible colour
ca=
sts (green mainly) and that odd flicker that just catches your attention
ou=
t of the corner of your eye. I did
compare the Philips Hue lamps to a 42W (60W equivalent) halogen bulb and t=
he colour and brightness was pretty much the same (just by eyeballing it).
=
So I was very pleased with that. Certainly bright enough for ceiling lamps
=
'big light!' :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you have a Philips Hue hub, that does need to be connected to
your =
network. Not necessarily the Internet but you'll loose updates (for what
th=
at's worth!) and remote control outside of your network. The new Hue
dimmin=
g kits don't need the hub - they
link directly to the lamp out of the box but you can then link them to the=
hub for wider control. Important to note that the Hue hub operates the lam=
ps LOCALLY - it doesn't need to go via their servers for local control
whic=
h makes it nice and responsive.
ST on the other hand DOES operate via the cloud servers. With the new v2 h=
ub, they have brought some processing local to the hub to try and prevent
t=
he longer delays and latency that a cloud based service inherently has.
Lin=
king the ST hub to the Hue hub works
well as its a local connection so lamps respond instantly. Status of lamps=
on ST when not operated via ST can take a few moments to register though. =
So yes, ST HAS to be connected to the Internet to
operate. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The RasPi runs the HomeBridge server. This basically enables
non-HomeK=
it devices to be registered wth the HomeKit database so that Siri knows
abo=
ut and can control them. Siri is still pretty dumb though - I think it
stil=
l needs a fair bit of development
to be really smart. My 'make it Christmas' phrase is actually a scene setu=
p in the HomeKit database. You can add scenes via one of the HomeKit apps
l=
ike Eve. Once a scene is defined, you can then speak that scene name and
Ho=
meKit will trigger those devices
as defined. It doesn't actually need the RasPi and HomeBridge to do this w=
ith native HomeKit enabled kit. If you just have Philips Hue Hub and
lamps,=
you can extend better functionality via Siri this way, just by using the E=
ve app :) Eve also enables you to
group lamps by room, zones and service groups (e.g. Desk lamps - made up o=
f two lamps on a desk). Philips Hue doesn't natively support rooms or
zones=
etc, just scenes, so by using Eve, you can now say something like 'turn on=
office lights'. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Not sure about controlling HomeKit devices via other means, I've
only =
used it via Siri. HomeKit is basically just a database and is totally
hopel=
ess so far for any kind of automation, which is where ST and other
automati=
on controllers come in. <br>
<br>
<div>
<div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
0);">Paul.</span>=
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 1 Jan 2016, at 21:05, Wayne Harrison <a href=3D"mailto:Wayne@planetwayne=
.com">Wayne@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a
href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoo=
groups.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Cool - thanks everyone for filling in on the detail.
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Seems a reasonable thing that any
=91bulb=92 replacement li=
ghts should operate as a standard lamp when re-powered so thats cool too.
C=
an just start to replace our normal lights with the Hue Whites and bring
th=
em in to the fold so to speak. Has anyone
noticed and degrading of light levels over time? Its been a while since I =
have used any LED type replacements and it didn't take too long for people
=
to notice that it wasn't as bright as it started out - to the point we
just=
swapped them all back again.<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">I take it the Philips gear needs to see the
internet to be =
able to operate? I=92m guessing this from the ability to remotely control
y=
our lights etc (looking at their example videos).</div>
<div class=3D"">Is this the same thing with the Samsung
SmartThings also? D=
oes it /have/ to be connected to their internet accounts or can it call be
=
controlled internally via custom software etc?</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Paul, your trigger command with the video
was to =91make it=
christmas=92 does the Pi server act as a sort of Siri Proxy that can use t=
he power of Siri to pick up on custom commands rather than the =92turn on
o=
ffice light=92 that you generally see in the
Home Kit demos? I=92m guessing looking at the HomeBridge site this is a pl=
ug in frame work of sorts that could be custom triggered not just from
Siri=
but other sources as well?</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Thanks again all.</div>
<div class=3D"">Wayne.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On 31 Dec 2015, at 14:40, Paul Gale <a
href=3D"mailto:group=
s2@xxxxxxx" class=3D"">
groups2@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogro=
ups.com" class=3D"">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class=3D"">Yes that's my video and write up Wayne
:)</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Glad it's given a bit of inspiration. The
log fire video as=
Mark says, is a Sky on demand video. It's not great but OK. Was nice for C=
hristmas morning opening presents :) Was a bit of a last minute addition
to=
make the room more Christmassy! The
other videos they had were truly shockingly bad though! Very poor animatio=
n. I could have animated something (my day job) and sold it to
Sky!</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">As Phil and others say, the hue lamps come
on full brightne=
ss if manually power cycled. What you really want is the new dimmer kit
whi=
ch has a remote on/off/dimmer switch. This is really the missing part of
th=
e hue system and can replace a light
switch whilst still retaining HA control from other devices (as the lamp i=
s then permanently powered to react to on/off/dim commands). What's even
ni=
cer with the Philips dimmer is if you assign it to a full scene, it can
tur=
n that whole scene on/off and also
DIM that scene too. Really nice :) the dimmer switch is actually a small r=
emote that attaches to the wall plate via magnets so can be used as a
remot=
e or left on the wall. The wall plate has screw fix holes or can be
mounted=
via the attached sticky pads. Very
neat solution, nicely made, looks good and I think great value at =A330 fo=
r controller and a single hue white bulb. Amazon seem to be out of stock
ag=
ain (hue stock levels seem to be very poor generally) but is in stock from
=
DmLights (Belgium IIRC). Used them
a lot - good delivery and stock levels and great pricing on some hue kit -=
although anything with power plugs are EU type of course so need a 2 pin a=
dapter. <br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Paul.</div>
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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.co.uk" class=3D"">
lists@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogr=
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<br class=3D"">
</div>
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<div class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">BTW, the 'DVD' in Paul's video
is actually a dow=
nloadable Christmas theme on Sky+ box.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">M.</div>
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