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You want to get rid of the ceiling coating, or at least get it flat. Either
an Artex remover such as X Tex or a powered sander and a bloody good
breathing mask.
A hi-grab construction adhesive (like No More Nails) will hold the boards
u=
p
as long as the material underneath is sound.
Regards,
Steve
From: "Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d]"
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Reply-To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, 9 May 2015 12:25
To: <UK_Selfbuild@xxxxxxx>, UKHA Group <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ukha_d] Problem ceiling inspiration sought..
=20
Kinda related to the UKHA crowd since the room is going to be my home
cinem=
a
/ man cave=8A
=20
I have a problem ceiling that I need to deal with=8A the problem(s) are, in
the main:
=20
1. It is already very low (2m) so I *REALLY* don=B9t want to drop it
=
any
further than a few mm, so battening & adding an additional false
ceiling is
not really an option
2. It is solid concrete (basement room) so nailing is impossible, and
drilling/plugging/screwing would be an unimaginable amount of work, which I
*REALLY* don=B9t want to get into (I already had to drill & screw a few
hol=
es
in one of the other basement room ceilings, and just those few led to some
fairly fruity language! Not to mention the many ruined masonry drill bits,
and one actual electric hammer drill burned out)
3. It has been previously painted with some of that stipple paint
stuff, which goes on to a depth of around 1-2mm, however, a few fairly
larg=
e
areas of that have flaked off, leaving 1-2mm ridges round the edges of
thos=
e
areas. Although concentrated mainly in one part of the ceiling, they=B9re
i=
n
the middle, and very visible=8A This means just painting with emulsion isn=
=B9t
possible.
4. Most of the ceiling still has good adhesion with the stipple
paint=
,
so stripping all of it off the whole ceiling will be difficult. I=B9ve
alre=
ady
taken a scraper to it & removed most, if not all, the stipple paint
that=B9=
s
no long adhering properly, & working at the edges to get more of it off
is
quite difficult already.
5. I=B9m limited to treatments that are available in Norway! Plaster
ceilings are pretty much unheard of here, and so , therefore, are
plasterers=8A
=20
=20
I have a few ideas mulling around in my head=8A
=20
1. I have used MDF ceiling boards elsewhere, these are 8mm thick, x
300mm wide x 1810mm long. According to the documentation, each board works
out at 3.2KG each, - which sounds a bit much to me, as when lifting these
boards, I=B9ve always thought they felt pretty light, nevertheless, the
spe=
cs
on the website state they are 16KG per pack of 5 boards=8A I like the
finis=
hed
look of these boards and wouldn=B9t mind using them in this room as well,
b=
ut
as per problems 1 & 2, they cannot be fixed as per their design, which
is t=
o
nail through the hidden tongue/groove into the ceiling behind. The only
fixing option available is to glue=8A anyone have any idea how feasible
thi=
s
could be?... it must be *possible* since some sports cars are glued
together, and that must be under more stress forces than the gravity trying
to pull boards off my ceiling=8A being bare MDF on the back, a very wet
glu=
e
isn=B9t wise=8A but what would be? Normal gun-able construction adhesive? A
contact adhesive? =AD as the existing surface is slightly textured from the
stipple paint, it would have to be a gap-filling capable product=8A I have
just so many doubts about the wisdom of trying this=8A
2. I could smooth out, as much as possible, the ridges around the
edges of the flaked away areas with normal interior filler, to make the
transitions much more gradual, then paper over the whole ceiling with some
=8Crepair=B9 type paper designed to smooth out poor surfaces. Then I could
emulsion over the top. This has the advantage of adding virtually no extra
thickness to the ceiling so not reducing the height any further.
3. I could attempt to re-do the stipple paint type surface, using a
product that will go on sufficiently thick to cover over all the flaked
areas (I could pre-fill the edges as well just for good measure)
4. I can try to find a plasterer here in Norway and have the entire
ceiling skimmed to a nice smooth, flat finish, then emulsion over the lot.
(but plasterers are rarer than rocking horse doo-doo here)
5. Fixing lightweight ceiling tiles, such as polystyrene (ugh!) or
some such=8A not readily available in any of the DIY sheds here, no idea if
there is in fact anywhere in Norway that can supply these locally.. may be
=
a
non-starter..
=20
Just setting out all these options in this list has helped clarify my
thought process somewhat, to the degree that I=B9m currently leaning
toward=
s
solution number 2, but I=B9d certainly appreciate any & all thoughts,
suggestions, product recommendations, or any ideas =AD no matter how zany =
=AD
that I may not have considered=8A
=20
Have at it folks! =AD what do you reckon?
=20
Cheers.
=20
Paul G.
=20
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<div>You want to get rid of the ceiling coating, or at least get it
flat. Either an Artex remover such as X Tex or a powered sander and a
bloody good breathing
mask.</div><div><br></div><div>A hi-grab
construction adhesive (like No More Nails) will hold the boards up as long
as the material underneath is
sound.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Steve</div><div><br></div><span
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class="MsoNormal">Kinda related to the UKHA crowd since the
room is going to be my home cinema / man
cave…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">I have a problem ceiling that I need to deal
with… the problem(s) are, in the
main:<o:p></o:p></p><p
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normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt;
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->It is already very low (2m)
so I *<b>REALLY</b>* don’t want to drop it any
further than a few mm, so battening & adding an additional false
ceiling is not really an option<o:p></o:p></p><p
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line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->It is solid concrete
(basement room) so nailing is impossible, and drilling/plugging/screwing
would be an unimaginable amount of work, which I
*<b>REALLY</b>* don’t want to get into (I already had
to drill & screw a few holes in one of the other basement room
ceilings, and just those few led to some fairly fruity language! Not to
mention the many ruined masonry drill bits, and one actual electric hammer
drill burned out)<o:p></o:p></p><p
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normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->It has been previously
painted with some of that stipple paint stuff, which goes on to a depth of
around 1-2mm, however, a few fairly large areas of that have flaked off,
leaving 1-2mm ridges round the edges of those areas. Although concentrated
mainly in one part of the ceiling, they’re in the middle, and
very visible… This means just painting with emulsion
isn’t possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p
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normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt;
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Roman';"> &nbs
p; </span></span><!--[endif]-->Most of the
ceiling still has good adhesion with the stipple paint, so stripping all of
it off the who
le ceiling will be difficult. I’ve already taken a scraper to it
& removed most, if not all, the stipple paint that’s no
long adhering properly, & working at the edges to get more of it
off is quite difficult already.<o:p></o:p></p><p
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Roman';">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->I’m limited to
treatments that are available in Norway! Plaster ceilings are pretty much
unheard of here, and so , therefore, are
plasterers…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
cl
ass="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">I have a few ideas mulling around in my
head…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
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tParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
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style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font-style:
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt;
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->I have used MDF ceiling
boards elsewhere, these are 8mm thick, x 300mm wide x 1810mm long.
According to the documentation, each board works out at 3.2KG each, - which
sounds a bit much to me, as when lifting these boards, I’ve
always thought they felt pretty light, nevertheless, the specs on the
website state they are 16KG per pack of 5 boards… I like the
finished look of these boards and wouldn’t mind using them in
this room as well, but as per problems 1 & 2, they cannot be fixed
as per their design, which is to nail through the hidden tongue/gro
ove into the ceiling behind. The only fixing option available is to
glue… anyone ha
ve any idea how feasible this could be?... it must be
*<b>possible</b>* since some sports cars are glued together,
and that must be under more stress forces than the gravity trying to pull
boards off my ceiling… being bare MDF on the back, a very wet
glue isn’t wise… but what would be? Normal gun-able
construction adhesive? A contact adhesive? – as the existing
surface is slightly textured from the stipple paint, it would have to be a
gap-filling capable product… I have just so many doubts about the
wisdom of trying
this…<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
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line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"> &am
p;nbsp;
</span></span><!--[endif]-->I could smooth out, as much
as possible, the ridges around the
edges of the flaked away areas with normal interior filler, to make the
transitions much more gradual, then paper over the whole ceiling with some
‘repair’ type paper designed to smooth out poor
surfaces. Then I could emulsion over the top. This has the advantage of
adding virtually no extra thickness to the ceiling so not reducing the
height any
further.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->I could attempt to re-do the
stipple paint type surface, using a product that will go on sufficiently
thick to cover over all the flaked a
reas (I could pre-fill the edges as well just for good
measure)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
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Roman';">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->I can try to find a plasterer
here in Norway and have the entire ceiling skimmed to a nice smooth, flat
finish, then emulsion over the lot. (but plasterers are rarer than rocking
horse doo-doo
here)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
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normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt;
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"> &n
bsp;
</span></span><!--[endif]-->Fixing lightweight ceiling
tiles, such as polystyrene (ugh!) or some such… not readily
available in any of
the DIY sheds here, no idea if there is in fact anywhere in Norway that can
supply these locally.. may be a
non-starter..<o:p></o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">Just setting out all these options in this
list has helped clarify my thought process somewhat, to the degree that
I’m currently leaning towards solution number 2, but
I’d certainly appreciate any & all thoughts, suggestions,
product recommendations, or any ideas – no matter how zany
– that I may not have
considered…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">Have at it folks! – what do you
reckon?<o:p></o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">Cheers.<o:p></o:p
></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class="MsoNormal">Paul
G.<o:p></o:p></p><p
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