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Kinda related to the UKHA crowd since the room is going to be my home
cinema
/ man cave.
I have a problem ceiling that I need to deal with. the problem(s) are, in
the main:
1. It is already very low (2m) so I *REALLY* don't want to drop it
any
further than a few mm, so battening & adding an additional false
ceiling is
not really an option
2. It is solid concrete (basement room) so nailing is impossible, and
drilling/plugging/screwing would be an unimaginable amount of work, which I
*REALLY* don't want to get into (I already had to drill & screw a few
holes
in one of the other basement room ceilings, and just those few led to some
fairly fruity language! Not to mention the many ruined masonry drill bits,
and one actual electric hammer drill burned out)
3. It has been previously painted with some of that stipple paint
stuff, which goes on to a depth of around 1-2mm, however, a few fairly
large
areas of that have flaked off, leaving 1-2mm ridges round the edges of
those
areas. Although concentrated mainly in one part of the ceiling, they're in
the middle, and very visible. This means just painting with emulsion isn't
possible.
4. Most of the ceiling still has good adhesion with the stipple
paint,
so stripping all of it off the whole ceiling will be difficult. I've
already
taken a scraper to it & removed most, if not all, the stipple paint
that's
no long adhering properly, & working at the edges to get more of it off
is
quite difficult already.
5. I'm limited to treatments that are available in Norway! Plaster
ceilings are pretty much unheard of here, and so , therefore, are
plasterers.
I have a few ideas mulling around in my head.
1. I have used MDF ceiling boards elsewhere, these are 8mm thick, x
300mm wide x 1810mm long. According to the documentation, each board works
out at 3.2KG each, - which sounds a bit much to me, as when lifting these
boards, I've always thought they felt pretty light, nevertheless, the specs
on the website state they are 16KG per pack of 5 boards. I like the
finished
look of these boards and wouldn't mind using them in this room as well, but
as per problems 1 & 2, they cannot be fixed as per their design, which
is to
nail through the hidden tongue/groove into the ceiling behind. The only
fixing option available is to glue. anyone have any idea how feasible this
could be?... it must be *possible* since some sports cars are glued
together, and that must be under more stress forces than the gravity trying
to pull boards off my ceiling. being bare MDF on the back, a very wet glue
isn't wise. but what would be? Normal gun-able construction adhesive? A
contact adhesive? - as the existing surface is slightly textured from the
stipple paint, it would have to be a gap-filling capable product. I have
just so many doubts about the wisdom of trying this.
2. I could smooth out, as much as possible, the ridges around the
edges of the flaked away areas with normal interior filler, to make the
transitions much more gradual, then paper over the whole ceiling with some
'repair' type paper designed to smooth out poor surfaces. Then I could
emulsion over the top. This has the advantage of adding virtually no extra
thickness to the ceiling so not reducing the height any further.
3. I could attempt to re-do the stipple paint type surface, using a
product that will go on sufficiently thick to cover over all the flaked
areas (I could pre-fill the edges as well just for good measure)
4. I can try to find a plasterer here in Norway and have the entire
ceiling skimmed to a nice smooth, flat finish, then emulsion over the lot.
(but plasterers are rarer than rocking horse doo-doo here)
5. Fixing lightweight ceiling tiles, such as polystyrene (ugh!) or
some such. not readily available in any of the DIY sheds here, no idea if
there is in fact anywhere in Norway that can supply these locally.. may be
a
non-starter..
Just setting out all these options in this list has helped clarify my
thought process somewhat, to the degree that I'm currently leaning towards
solution number 2, but I'd certainly appreciate any & all thoughts,
suggestions, product recommendations, or any ideas - no matter how zany -
that I may not have considered.
Have at it folks! - what do you reckon?
Cheers.
Paul G.
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<div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Kinda related to the
UKHA crowd since the room is going to be my home cinema / man
cave…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal>I have a problem ceiling that I need to deal
with… the problem(s) are, in the
main:<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>It is already very low (2m) so I
*<b>REALLY</b>* don’t want to drop it any further
than a few mm, so battening & adding an additional false ceiling is
not really an option<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
<
/span></span><![endif]>It is solid concrete (basement room)
so nailing is impossible, and drilling/plugging/screwing would be an
unimaginable amount of work, which I *<b>REALLY</b>*
don’t want to get into (I already had to drill & screw a
few holes in one of the other basement room ceilings, and just those few
led to some fairly fruity language! Not to mention the many ruined masonry
drill bits, and one actual electric hammer drill burned
out)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph
style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if
!supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>It has been previously painted
with some of that stipple paint stuff, which goes on to a depth of around
1-2mm, however, a few fairly large areas of that have flaked off, leaving
1-2mm r
idges round the edges of those areas. Although concentrated mainly in one
part of the ceiling, they̵
7;re in the middle, and very visible… This means just painting
with emulsion isn’t
possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph
style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if
!supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Most of the ceiling still has
good adhesion with the stipple paint, so stripping all of it off the whole
ceiling will be difficult. I’ve already taken a scraper to it
& removed most, if not all, the stipple paint that’s no
long adhering properly, & working at the edges to get more of it
off is quite difficult already.<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt &q
uot;Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>I’m limited to
treatments that are available in
Norway! Plaster ceilings are pretty much unheard of here, and so ,
therefore, are plasterers…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal>I have a few ideas mulling around in my
head…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>I have used MDF ceiling boards
elsewhere, these are 8mm thick, x 300mm wide x 1810mm long. According to
the documentation, each board works out at 3.2KG each, - which sounds a bit
much to me, as when lifting these boards, I’ve always thought
they f
elt pretty light, nevertheless, the specs on the website state they are
16KG per pack of 5 boards… I like the finished look of these
boards and wouldn’t mind using them in this
room as well, but as per problems 1 & 2, they cannot be fixed as
per their design, which is to nail through the hidden tongue/groove into
the ceiling behind. The only fixing option available is to glue…
anyone have any idea how feasible this could be?... it must be
*<b>possible</b>* since some sports cars are glued together,
and that must be under more stress forces than the gravity trying to pull
boards off my ceiling… being bare MDF on the back, a very wet
glue isn’t wise… but what would be? Normal gun-able
construction adhesive? A contact adhesive? – as the existing
surface is slightly textured from the stipple paint, it would have to be a
gap-filling capable product… I have just so many doubts about the
wisdom of trying
this…<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Igno
re'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'> &nb
sp;
</span></span><![endif]>I could smooth out, as much as
possible, the ridges around the edges of the flaked away areas with normal
interior filler, to make the transitions much more gradual, then paper over
the whole ceiling with some ‘repair’ type paper
designed to smooth out poor surfaces. Then I could emulsion over the top.
This has the advantage of adding virtually no extra thickness to the
ceiling so not reducing the height any
further.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>I could attempt to re-do the
stipple paint type surface, using a product that will go on sufficiently
thick to cover over all the flaked areas
(I could pre-fill the edges as well just for good
measure)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text
-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if
!supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>I can try to find a plasterer
here in Norway and have the entire ceiling skimmed to a nice smooth, flat
finish, then emulsion over the lot. (but plasterers are rarer than rocking
horse doo-doo
here)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Fixing lightweight ceiling tiles,
such as polystyrene (ugh!) or some such… not readily available in
any of the DIY sheds here, no idea if there is in fact anywhere in Norway
that
can supply these locally.. may be a
non-starter..<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal>Just setting out all these options
in this list has helped clarify my thought process somewhat, to the degree
that I’m currently leaning towards solution number 2, but
I’d certainly appreciate any & all thoughts, suggestions,
product recommendations, or any ideas – no matter how zany
– that I may not have
considered…<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal>Have at it folks! – what do you
reckon?<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal>Cheers.<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal>Paul G.<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal
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