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Kevin,
Ahhh.. complete misunderstanding on my part then.. Doh!
I'm still slightly confused why a DIN style LD11 needs a minimum load
they=
DO require a Live and Neutral so shouldn't be drawing anything through the=
lamp?
Marcus
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of K=
evin Hawkins
Sent: 17 January 2014 12:40
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Megaman LED 7w GU10 Warm White
I believe what you are referring to might be a X2 capacitor that is
connected in parallel with the lamps to provide a leakage path. C-Bus
wireless , X10 and other 'no neutral required' dimmers draw power via
the connected circuit and so a small current always passes through the
lamps even when off. This causes some CFL and LED bulbs to
flicker/flash all the time when turned off. The X2 capacitor provides a
leakage path that stops the flickering but doesn't actually substitute
for a real load so it doesn't help meet minimum load requirements for a
standard C-Bus dimmer.
I too am interested in these bulbs and saw that listing on Amazon...
There's so much discussion and opinion on the various options that it
would be good to sort out the better ones.
K
On 17/01/2014 10:40, Marcus Warrington wrote:
> Are these the ones? =A3130 for 10,
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/DIMMABLE-ENERGY-SAVING-BRANDED-PROMOTION/dp/B00BI=
N2S44
>
> If they work with CBUS dimmer does that mean they should also work
with X=
10 LD11 dimmers (subject to minimum load) ?
>
> Googling Z-Wave dimmers the other day I saw that they appear have a
littl=
e "load" dongle that can be wired in parallel to the light, can
anything li=
ke this be done for X10. What I mean is can I add a dummy load to the
circu=
it to bring it up to the minimum load when using low wattage (LED) lights ?
>
> Marcus
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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complete misundersta=
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still slightly co=
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a Li=
ve and Neutral so shouldn’t be drawing anything through the
lamp?<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Hawkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2014 12:40<br>
<b>To:</b> ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Megaman LED 7w GU10 Warm
White<o:p></o:p></spa=
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<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I believe what you are
referring to might=
be a X2 capacitor that is
<br>
connected in parallel with the lamps to provide a leakage path. C-Bus
<br>
wireless , X10 and other 'no neutral required' dimmers draw power via
<br>
the connected circuit and so a small current always passes through the
<br>
lamps even when off. This causes some CFL and LED bulbs to <br>
flicker/flash all the time when turned off. The X2 capacitor provides a
<br=
>
leakage path that stops the flickering but doesn't actually substitute
<br>
for a real load so it doesn't help meet minimum load requirements for a
<br=
>
standard C-Bus dimmer.<br>
<br>
I too am interested in these bulbs and saw that listing on Amazon...
<br>
There's so much discussion and opinion on the various options that it
<br>
would be good to sort out the better ones.<br>
<br>
K<br>
<br>
On 17/01/2014 10:40, Marcus Warrington wrote:<br>
> Are these the ones? =A3130 for 10,<br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.amazon.co.uk/DIMMABLE-ENERGY-SAVING-BRANDED-PROM=
OTION/dp/B00BIN2S44">
http://www.amazon.co.uk/DIMMABLE-ENERGY-SAVING-BRANDED-PROMOTION/dp/B00BIN2=
S44</a><br>
><br>
> If they work with CBUS dimmer does that mean they should also work
wit=
h X10 LD11 dimmers (subject to minimum load) ?<br>
><br>
> Googling Z-Wave dimmers the other day I saw that they appear have
a li=
ttle "load" dongle that can be wired in parallel to the
light, ca=
n anything like this be done for X10. What I mean is can I add a dummy
load=
to the circuit to bring it up to the minimum
load when using low wattage (LED) lights ?<br>
><br>
> Marcus<br>
><br>
>
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