RE: C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

[Marcus Warrington <marcus.warrington@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the info, nice to know for Future reference.
Out of interest what is the minimum load requirement of a CBUS dimmer
chann=
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Marcus

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?



CBUS relays are (just about) audible, if you have them in close
proximity..=
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- I'm specifically referring to the wired ones though, I have no personal
experience of any CBUS wireless kit... - the point being with the wired
modules is that you wouldn't typically have them that close, since they're
designed for DIN mounting in a distribution board/consumer unit box, and
would typically be out of the way (and thus out of audible range) in N0....

For comparison purposes, I'd say the relay clunk (I'd call it more of a
"click" actually), is *much* quieter than the original AD10
modules, and
probably roughly comparable to the newer design ones which are quite a lot
quieter.

Paul G.

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

My problem with the relay modules (especially the X10 AD10) is the load
CLUNK!
Not sure how loud the CBUS relays in comparison.

Marcus

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

If you only want on/off control then it is easy, simply use the relay
modules which have no minimum load requirement. For non-dimmable sources,
some LED and fluorescent lamps, then you would have to do this in any case
as setting a dimmer to 100% output does not prevent the dimmer electronics
from affecting the output waveform which can upset some lamps.

Neil B.

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

But still the issue of minimum load :(

To be fair I'm not necessarily interested in dimming, just automating on
off..

Marcus

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

Depends on the lamps ultimately and whether they can be dimmed with
leading/trailing edge dimmers. If they can then you have the issue of
dimme=
r
minimum loads as well. I've been surprised with the speed of development of
LED fittings that can be controlled with trailing edge dimmers (from the
likes of Philips), while they are not yet at a price that makes them
suitable for the masses it does show that it is possible to find suitable
low energy lighting that will work with these kinds of dimmers. There are
also more and more retro-fittable LED lamps of all types coming over from
China, some of which do show promise as replacements for incandescents.

Neil B.

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

I don't want to push this thread off topic but I'm interested to know how
these solutions (CBUS , RAKO etc) fair in relation to the phasing out of
incandescent bulbs. At the moment I have all the lights in our house on
LD11's, but with the phasing out of incandescent bulbs and the minimum load
requirement of x10 (40watts) I can see me having to rethink my install in
the next couple of years. If I'm going to replace then I'd like something
that will work with LED lights since I'm sure they will become the standard
in a few years time.

Marcus

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Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

It is the same price for a 4 scene wall controller though :)

Rako is very expandable (and now wired too as mentioned by Neil) - very
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reliable, and is great for integration purposes.

Via RS232 its good to intergrate with Control4, Opus, Systemline, Philips
Pronto etc. etc.

Dean.

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Subject: Re: [ukha_d] C-Bus wireless, X10 or Z-Wave?

Hi Dean,

That'd sure have to be some special kind of discount..

=A3151.13 for an on and off switch?!?!
http://www.avjungle.co.uk/index.php?main_page=3Dproduct_info
<http://www.avjungle.co.uk/index.php?main_page=3Dproduct_info
<http://www.avjungle.co.uk/index.php?main_page=3Dproduct_info&cPath=3D72&pr=
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_id=3D306

.. just Googled and this seems to be the ball park figure for Rako Wireless
kit.

Obviously not for the likes of a DIY HAer like myself!

Going back to dream...

Steve

On 20 January 2011 13:17, Dean Barrett
<dean@xxxxxxx<mailto:dean%40rolec.net><mailto:dean%40rolec.net>
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<mailto:dean%40rolec.net> <mailto:dean%40rolec.net>> wrote:

> Can't comment specifically on CBus wireless as all our wired installs
> have been Cbus wired, however for all our wireless systems we have
> used Rako - they offer a good range of plate finishes in traditional
> styles suitable for UK back boxes. Wireless dimmers/relays are then
> located in the ceilings.
> They have a nice ipad interface amongst other ways of control.
>
> We have recently completed three installs of Rako wireless in 15,000+
> sq ft properties and all have performed faultlessly.
>
> List of some Rako items here : http://j.mp/gaLzEo - Can offer special
> UKHA discounts if something of interest.
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> Regards
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> Dean.
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