Re: Re: DIN Enclosure for CBus modules NOW Part P Registration

["Neil Fuller" <neil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dean

> under part p only building control appointed persons can test and
inspect
> others work circa 150.00 im told.

But from my understanding, it's not buildings control who
"appoint" firms.
It's the "Registration companies" such as NICEIC or BSI.

I have also been told that NICEIC registration is an acceptable alternative
to a Part P registered firm. In other words, if a company is NICEIC
registered they do not have to be part P registered too.

Do you know anything about this?

Also, my local Building Control office told me that I could carry out work
but I would need to get it inspected by a "competant person" -
Either NICEIC
or Part P registered.

It does seem that the BC Offices are still in a state of confusion about
what is and is not allowed. Sounds to me like there are regional
variations.

>>part  p companies such as ourselves are not allowed to certify
others
>>work.

Very odd. A mate who is Part P registered is doing a roaring trade doing
test and inspect for people like kitchen fitters and plumbers. Also, it
contradicts your first statement that " . . .  . appointed persons can
test
and inspect _others_ work".

Now I'm totally confused!

Any comments/guidance welcome coz I have an extension to wire later in the
year and as a Maintenance Sparks and Controls Engineer of 30 years
standing,
I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay someone else to do a job half as well as I
will do it! - And my mate is happy to do the test and inspect for beer
vouchers :-)

I also think that it's very relevant to people on this list (such as
Gareth)
so they understand what they have to do to be legal.

Cheers

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: DIN Enclosure for CBus modules


>
> under part p only building control appointed persons can test and
inspect
> others work circa 150.00 im told.
>
> part  p companies such as ourselves are not allowed to certify others
> work.
>
>
> Dean
>
>  _____
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> From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 10 April 2005 20:35
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: DIN Enclosure for CBus modules
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> Dean
>
> As we are past 1st January '05 - shouldn't you be getting a decent
>> electrician to do it all anyway ?
>>
>> You should have Part P compliance, and not be breaking the law. An
>> electrician could only certify his own work anyway.
>
> My understanding is that you can do your own work. Part P requires the
> testing and completion certificate to be issued by a
"competent" or
> registered person, thus ensuring that the installation is compliant.
>
> Or have I misunderstood?
>
> Cheers
>
> Neil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: DIN Enclosure for CBus modules
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>>
>> As we are past 1st January '05 - shouldnt you be getting a decent
>> electrician to do it all anyway ?
>>
>> You should have Part P compliance, and not be breaking the law. An
>> electrician could only certify his own work anyway.
>>
>> A suitable enclosure will have neutral and earth bars fitted to
which you
>> can bring everything together - if you feed with a 20a remember
its got
>> to
>> be bigger than 1mm !!
>>
>> With your installed feed you will supply the control side of the
dimmer
>> and
>> then loop across to the dimmer side. All neutrals and earths from
>> outgoing
>> sides will go straight to blocks.
>>
>> Depending how many circuits you've got, you may find it easier to
get a
>> coil
>> of 1.5mm Brown 6181Y (single cable) and use this to go from each
Dimmer
>> way
>> 1a MCB, and then the other side of the MCB will have your T&E
coming back
>> from the lights with neutrals and earths going straight to blocks.
>>
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>>
>> Dean.
>>
>>  _____
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>> From: Gareth Cook [mailto:g@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 10 April 2005 16:08
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Fw: [ukha_d] Re: DIN Enclosure for CBus modules
>>
>>
>> I'm no electrical expert - so if the consensus is for MCB's on the
load
>> side, i'll do it !
>>
>> My only problem is no experience with MCB's/Consumer units - so if
I do
>> get a 2nd enclosure for the CBUS stuff, it's the dos and don'ts
for
>> getting the wiring right.
>>
>> I have 2x8 Channel Dimmers and 1x12 Channel Relay. So I'm assuming
my
>> plan
>> is :
>>
>> 1. Install a 20Amp MCB in the main consumer unit (B type and 6KA
rating
>> if
>> possible ?)
>> 2. Earth and Neutral to enclosure. This is the bit I'm not sure on
- how
>> to extend these from the consumer unit correctly. I need some sort
of
>> "block" for each one ?
>> 3. Install MCB's for the LOAD side. So, I need 1Amp units ?
>>
>> OR - I find a decent electrician !
>>
>> G.
>>
>> Gareth Cook
>> SWG EMEA North Account Manager
>> IBM SWG - BTE Office - Lotus Park, Staines, TW18 3AG
>> Office: +44 (0)1784 445166 - Mobile: +44 (0)7980 445166
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>> ----- Forwarded by Gareth Cook/UK/IBM on 10/04/2005 15:56 -----
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>> Discussion
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>> "Nick" <nick@xxxxxxx>
>> Today 10:55
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>>> Dont see any pics of the cbus din units ???
>>>
>>
>> Mine are all protected by MCBs.  Have a look at Mark's Node 0
feature,
>> or at www.nicklocke.co.uk/Auto.
>>
>> Yet another spin on bulbs etc..... the fact tha the dimmers always
do
>> a soft start seems to have increased the life of the bulbs in a
major
>> way!  Been in the house since August and, so far, have not
replaced a
>> single bulb.....
>>
>> I did have a slightly different problem in that the swicth on
surge of
>> the external security lights almost always tripped an MCB. 
Following
>> valuable advice on here, those channels now only switch a
contactor,
>> with the contactor doing the dirty work.
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