Re: Re: Wired Dimming / Switching

["Mal Lansell" <mlansell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No need for the schematic - I can picture it OK.  Some people don't have a
neutral at the switch - you seem to have the whole works!

I misread the first post - I was thinking you had an AD10 and LD11 wired in
parallel, one controlled through the switch, and the other via the PC.  I
thought that might work for me, but then I realised that apart from any
issues of applying main voltage to the output of a dimmer that is in the
off-state, I would also need to send commands to keep them synchronised.

I'm now having a scout around the web for info on DMX dimmer - there is a
much bigger market for stage lighting control than for home automation (at
the moment), so the equipment is cheaper (as someone pointed out earlier).
I'd imagine they are pretty rugged and easy to control too.

Mal



----- Original Message -----
From: "egelbeertje" <r_d_k@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Wired Dimming / Switching


> Hi Mal,
>
> Extra wires :
>
> I had a N (blue) + L (red) + Ground at the switch (here was the 230v
> supply) from there I had a Switched L (black) + N + Ground to the
> ceiling rose (the switched L being different color coded than the
> always live L) so in order not to get confused I put in an extra red
> and white (Red for feeding the LD11 and white as a switch wire
> feeding 230v back to the switch together with the existing black as
> input to the LD11)
>
> In different words - Red & Blue became Live and N all the way -
white
> and black became the switch.
>
> works a treat - but putting in those 2 wires next to the exiting ones
> was not that easy over longer distances.
>
> rgds Rob.
>
> I could send you some schematics if you want.
>
>
>
> --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Mal Lansell" <mlansell@f...>
wrote:
> > Interesting.  That may solve the bathroom problem.  What were the
> extra
> > wires for?
> >
> > Mal
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "egelbeertje" <r_d_k@h...>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:17 PM
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Wired Dimming / Switching
> >
> >
> > > Hi Mal,
> > >
> > > I had the same problem - all decorated up but still access
through
> > > the loft.
> > > I pulled in some 2 extra wires from the switch to the
ceiling rose
> > > and put an LD11/AD10 in a din box in the loft. (did this for
5
> rooms)
> > > This gives me instant on (in case of the AD10) and pc
control via
> x10.
> > > It was rather painfull pulling these extra wires through
existing
> > > tubing though - but it saved me a lot of $$ not buying the
> > > micromodules And SWMBO only noticed the difference after a
> while ;-)
> > >
> > > rgds,
> > > Rob.
> > >
> > > --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Mal Lansell"
<mlansell@f...>
> wrote:
> > > > It's a tricky one, because the cord is connected to a
micro
> module,
> > > which
> > > > sends X10 signals to a wired dimming module.  Holding
the cord
> is
> > > supposed
> > > > to do the dimming...
> > > >
> > > > The current system is an (expensive) alternative to an
LD11, but
> > > with a lag
> > > > instead of a soft start.  Sigh.
> > > >
> > > > All I ever wanted was instant on full bright, instant
off
> control
> > > from the
> > > > pull cord, with holding the cord for dimming.  The
module used
> to
> > > exist
> > > > (LD10) then some bright spark decided to replace it and
that
> soft
> > > start was
> > > > a "feature", and not the guest-unfreindly
annoyance that I've
> found
> > > to be
> > > > :-(
> > > >
> > > > Still, I'm sure everyone in this group has had enough
of me
> > > whinging about
> > > > that by now ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Mal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Hawes,Timothy Edward (GEG)"
<haweste@a...>
> > > > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:59 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Wired Dimming / Switching
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Mal Lansell  Sent: 09 March 2004 09:42
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The main problem I've been having with X10 is
the lag with
> the
> > > > > > bathroom lights.  For some reason, guests
seem able to cope
> > > > > > with it when
> > > > > > using a push button, but if a pull cord
doesn't get an
> > > > > > instant response, it
> > > > > > gets yanked again!  Fixing that is enough for
me at the
> moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mal,
> > > > >
> > > > > Not wanting to discourage you from automating
anything,
> but . . .
> > > can you
> > > > fit a timer/relay to the pull cord so that even though
it's
> yanked
> > > multiple
> > > > times, the X10 module only sees the initial pull. The
timer
> > > wouldn't have to
> > > > for be long, just enough to get over the X10 delay
you've got.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim H.
> > > > >
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