Re: OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling

["Neil Fuller" <neil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>>Topic now closed before we get bashed by the moderator

As it's the weekend and the message volumes are low! . . . . .. . . .. . .

Yup, I know it's alarmist about the cancer thing Rob but the flammability
issue is real.

If Ben happens to have his boiler in the kitchen  (as many do) and the
boiler starts for HWS, ker effin boom! Same goes for switching on a light.

It *is* down to personal choice, as long as the person is fully aware of
all
the risks involved.

Ultimately, would the mopping up of a fairly large volume of glue with 10
or
15 litres of a flammable solution be allowed on a commercial site - I doubt
it because of the risks involved.

Why then should it be OK for a DIY'er to *take the risk* but not a
commercial company.

Nope!!, I stick by my original assessment - Do it with a scrabbler - Better
job and much much safer.

Regards

Neil

P.S Rob - Fancy a pint next time in your neck of the woods!! ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mouser" <groups@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling


Slightly alarmist Neil.
Yes Toluene / Xylene based products (And many other chemicals for that
matter.) cause cancer but we're talking a one of job and incredibly low
volumes.
You are right though that people should be aware of the health and safety
risks of all products.
I guess its down to personal choice and all DIY is a H&S issue.
(Topic now closed before we get bashed by the moderators.)

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 June 2004 17:29
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling

>>LOL! It seriously plays with your brain that stuff

>>Remember that solvent soaked rags are also very flammable and in
fact the
vapour will spontaneously combust near heat (The vapour is the flammable
bit!).

Your all stark raving bonkers!!!

Not only are the thinners extremely flammable but it is also carcinogenic!!
If you don't blow your place half way to kingdom-come you'll die a horrible
death in a few years time from some untreatable carcinoma.

Not that I want to be alarmist or anything!!!!

I'd hire a scrabbler and do the job properly, even if it does cost a few
quid more.

Cheers

Neil


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mouser" <groups@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling


LOL! It seriously plays with your brain that stuff. My missus works in a
warehouse full of the stuff all day and that probably accounts for why shes
still married to me ;-)

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 June 2004 12:19
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling


Or alternatively just get high and then have a fag...

;-)

Phil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mouser [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 June 2004 12:05
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>
> Yes you are correct, that is very good point. 3M do a very
> good mask for just this purpose and unlike some is VERY
> comfortable to wear. I swear by them for dusty/solvent work.
> http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=29448&id=13038
>
> HTH
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Rafferty [mailto:simonr@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 June 2004 11:33
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>
> When Rob says a decent mask, he doesnt mean a crappy paper
> one from the DIY store. You will need a rubber face mask that
> takes cartridge filters. Make sure you buy a cartridge
> suitable for cellulose thinners (there are lots of kinds of
> cartridges).
>
> Simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Mouser" <groups@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>
>
> NO I doubt white spirit would do it. I'm talking Cellulose
> Thinners. You can
> buy various grades such as 'standard', 'anti-bloom',
> 'premium'. You want
> good old 'standard'. Don't let them try and sell you 'gun
> wash' that is a
> VERY low grade solvent that contains too much contaminate and
> it smells like
> cats pee!
> Tetrosyl make standard thinners in 5LTR and 25LTR quantities.
> (Red tin.)
> which you should be able to buy from any trade motor factors
> or they often
> have their own label brand. Aim to pay around £10+Vat for
> 25ltrs as that's
> an 'average' trade price. However, if you're a 'punter' you
> might get stung
> for more :-)
> If you're near Devon then I can get you some (Our cost is
> around £8 from
> memory.) Its too heavy to ship. Also might be an idea to buy
> a bale of rags,
> they always come in handy! Again should need to pay no more
> than £10+VAT for
> low grade coloured cotton rags in 10kg quantities.
>
> DISCLAIMER: Don't forget the ventilation and decent mask, this is evil
> stuff! Also it is very flammable!!!
>
> HTH
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben McCormack [mailto:ben@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 June 2004 10:27
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>
> Rob
>
> When you say thinners what sort do you mean? are we talking white
> spirit?
>
> On 20 Jun 2004, at 09:53, Rob Mouser wrote:
>
> > I know I have removed that icky black adhesive left under
> vinyl tiles
> > before
> > with Thinners, but I guess there are different types of
"icky black
> > gooey"
> > stuff???
> > You do need A LOT of thinners though and plenty of rags to
> mop up the
> > goo.
> > Also LOTS & LOTS of ventilation and a decent face mask.
Thinners in
> > 25ltr
> > quantities will cost you no more than £20 from a trade
> motor factors.
> > Actually thinking about its probably only a route for the insane
(I
> > fall
> > into that camp.).....But HA cheap! :-)
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 20 June 2004 09:36
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > It depends on the type of glue used as to whether you can tile
> > straight over
> > the top or not.
> >
> > Some old glues will prevent the new ceramic tile adhesive from
going
> > off. If
> > you intend levelling the floor with a latex screed before
> tiling, you
> > *must*
> > lift the old black "gunk"
> >
> > The safest bet (although messy and expensive) is to lift the old
> > adhesive
> > using a scrabbler which you can hire from HSS or similar.
> The machine
> > basically removes the top mm or 3 of the screed, taking the old
glue
> > with
> > it.
> >
> > Your link was broken and may well have been pointing to a
scrabbler
> > anyway!
> > It's a messy job but if you don't want your new ceramic
> tiles lifting,
> > it's
> > probably a good idea to get ride of the old black stuff.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Neil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben McCormack" <ben@xxxxxxx>
> > To: "Home Automation List" <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:02 PM
> > Subject: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
> >
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> I am really hoping that someone can help me here, I have been
> >> searching
> >> deja for ages and I cant fine the answer.
> >>
> >> I am intending to tile the kitchen with ceramic tiles.
> >>
> >> The problem is that we have got hard vinyl tiles down at
> the moment,
> >> now I can crape these up but there is still a black tar
> like residue
> >> left. Now is it safe to tile over this?
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