Re: OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling

[Ben McCormack <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

OK cheers Rob

Sounds like nasty stuff!!

Ben


On 20 Jun 2004, at 14:21, Rob Mouser wrote:

> 25LTR would be ample. You might even get away with 2 x 5ltr cans
but=20
> it will
> cost you as much as 25 LTR's!! And its handy stuff for brush
cleaning=20
> and
> such. Do a google for automotive paint factors in your area. Or
look=20
> for a
> Partco, Brown Brothers store in your yellow pages.
>
> Remember that solvent soaked rags are also very flammable and in
fact=20
> the
> vapour will spontaneously combust near heat (The vapour is the=20
> flammable
> bit!). Ideally allow then to dry in the open air before disposing
of=20
> them or
> place in a metal bin.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben McCormack [mailto:ben@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 June 2004 14:06
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>
> Right an update on the situation.
>
> The vinyl tiles are coming up well with a Hot Air Gun and a 1.5"
> scraper.
>
> I can then remove most of the black TAR with a wider blade scraper
with
> a razor blade in it. This leaves a thin film of the TAR.
>
> So I have got 2 options now.
>
> 1. See if a tile sticks well to this surface
>
> or
>
> 2. Go down the thinners and rag route to remove the rest of the TAR.
>
> I have got 18m2 of floor to clean, any guess as to how much thinners
to
> get? and secondly where do I buy thinners in Berkshire?
>
> Cheers all
> Ben
>
> On 20 Jun 2004, at 12:28, Rob Mouser wrote:
>
>> LOL! It seriously plays with your brain that stuff. My missus
works in
>> a
>> warehouse full of the stuff all day and that probably accounts for
why
>> shes
>> still married to me ;-)
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 20 June 2004 12:19
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>
>>
>> Or alternatively just get high and then have a fag...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rob Mouser [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 20 June 2004 12:05
>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>
>>> Yes you are correct, that is very good point. 3M do a very
>>> good mask for just this purpose and unlike some is VERY
>>> comfortable to wear. I swear by them for dusty/solvent work.
>>> http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=3D29448&id=3D13038
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Simon Rafferty [mailto:simonr@xxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 20 June 2004 11:33
>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>
>>> When Rob says a decent mask, he doesnt mean a crappy paper
>>> one from the DIY store. You will need a rubber face mask that
>>> takes cartridge filters. Make sure you buy a cartridge
>>> suitable for cellulose thinners (there are lots of kinds of
>>> cartridges).
>>>
>>> Simon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rob Mouser" <groups@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:42 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>
>>>
>>> NO I doubt white spirit would do it. I'm talking Cellulose
>>> Thinners. You can
>>> buy various grades such as 'standard', 'anti-bloom',
>>> 'premium'. You want
>>> good old 'standard'. Don't let them try and sell you 'gun
>>> wash' that is a
>>> VERY low grade solvent that contains too much contaminate and
>>> it smells like
>>> cats pee!
>>> Tetrosyl make standard thinners in 5LTR and 25LTR quantities.
>>> (Red tin.)
>>> which you should be able to buy from any trade motor factors
>>> or they often
>>> have their own label brand. Aim to pay around =A310+Vat for
>>> 25ltrs as that's
>>> an 'average' trade price. However, if you're a 'punter' you
>>> might get stung
>>> for more :-)
>>> If you're near Devon then I can get you some (Our cost is
>>> around =A38 from
>>> memory.) Its too heavy to ship. Also might be an idea to buy
>>> a bale of rags,
>>> they always come in handy! Again should need to pay no more
>>> than =A310+VAT for
>>> low grade coloured cotton rags in 10kg quantities.
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER: Don't forget the ventilation and decent mask, this
is=20
>>> evil
>>> stuff! Also it is very flammable!!!
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ben McCormack [mailto:ben@xxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 20 June 2004 10:27
>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> When you say thinners what sort do you mean? are we talking
white
>>> spirit?
>>>
>>> On 20 Jun 2004, at 09:53, Rob Mouser wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know I have removed that icky black adhesive left under
>>> vinyl tiles
>>>> before
>>>> with Thinners, but I guess there are different types of
"icky black
>>>> gooey"
>>>> stuff???
>>>> You do need A LOT of thinners though and plenty of rags to
>>> mop up the
>>>> goo.
>>>> Also LOTS & LOTS of ventilation and a decent face
mask. Thinners in
>>>> 25ltr
>>>> quantities will cost you no more than =A320 from a trade
>>> motor factors.
>>>> Actually thinking about its probably only a route for the
insane (I
>>>> fall
>>>> into that camp.).....But HA cheap! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: 20 June 2004 09:36
>>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> It depends on the type of glue used as to whether you can
tile
>>>> straight over
>>>> the top or not.
>>>>
>>>> Some old glues will prevent the new ceramic tile adhesive
from going
>>>> off. If
>>>> you intend levelling the floor with a latex screed before
>>> tiling, you
>>>> *must*
>>>> lift the old black "gunk"
>>>>
>>>> The safest bet (although messy and expensive) is to lift
the old
>>>> adhesive
>>>> using a scrabbler which you can hire from HSS or similar.
>>> The machine
>>>> basically removes the top mm or 3 of the screed, taking
the old glue
>>>> with
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Your link was broken and may well have been pointing to a
scrabbler
>>>> anyway!
>>>> It's a messy job but if you don't want your new ceramic
>>> tiles lifting,
>>>> it's
>>>> probably a good idea to get ride of the old black stuff.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ben McCormack" <ben@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "Home Automation List"
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:02 PM
>>>> Subject: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I am really hoping that someone can help me here, I
have been
>>>>> searching
>>>>> deja for ages and I cant fine the answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am intending to tile the kitchen with ceramic tiles.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that we have got hard vinyl tiles down
at
>>> the moment,
>>>>> now I can crape these up but there is still a black
tar
>>> like residue
>>>>> left. Now is it safe to tile over this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
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