RE: OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling

["Rob Mouser" <groups@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

25LTR would be ample. You might even get away with 2 x 5ltr cans but it
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cost you as much as 25 LTR's!! And its handy stuff for brush cleaning and
such. Do a google for automotive paint factors in your area. Or look for a
Partco, Brown Brothers store in your yellow pages.

Remember that solvent soaked rags are also very flammable and in fact the
vapour will spontaneously combust near heat (The vapour is the flammable
bit!). Ideally allow then to dry in the open air before disposing of them
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place in a metal bin.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben McCormack [mailto:ben@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 20 June 2004 14:06
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling

Right an update on the situation.

The vinyl tiles are coming up well with a Hot Air Gun and a 1.5"=20
scraper.

I can then remove most of the black TAR with a wider blade scraper with=20
a razor blade in it. This leaves a thin film of the TAR.

So I have got 2 options now.

1. See if a tile sticks well to this surface

or

2. Go down the thinners and rag route to remove the rest of the TAR.

I have got 18m2 of floor to clean, any guess as to how much thinners to=20
get? and secondly where do I buy thinners in Berkshire?

Cheers all
Ben

On 20 Jun 2004, at 12:28, Rob Mouser wrote:

> LOL! It seriously plays with your brain that stuff. My missus works
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> a
> warehouse full of the stuff all day and that probably accounts for
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> shes
> still married to me ;-)
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 June 2004 12:19
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>
>
> Or alternatively just get high and then have a fag...
>
> ;-)
>
> Phil
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Mouser [mailto:groups@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 20 June 2004 12:05
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>
>> Yes you are correct, that is very good point. 3M do a very
>> good mask for just this purpose and unlike some is VERY
>> comfortable to wear. I swear by them for dusty/solvent work.
>> http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=3D29448&id=3D13038
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Simon Rafferty [mailto:simonr@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 20 June 2004 11:33
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>
>> When Rob says a decent mask, he doesnt mean a crappy paper
>> one from the DIY store. You will need a rubber face mask that
>> takes cartridge filters. Make sure you buy a cartridge
>> suitable for cellulose thinners (there are lots of kinds of
>> cartridges).
>>
>> Simon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob Mouser" <groups@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>
>>
>> NO I doubt white spirit would do it. I'm talking Cellulose
>> Thinners. You can
>> buy various grades such as 'standard', 'anti-bloom',
>> 'premium'. You want
>> good old 'standard'. Don't let them try and sell you 'gun
>> wash' that is a
>> VERY low grade solvent that contains too much contaminate and
>> it smells like
>> cats pee!
>> Tetrosyl make standard thinners in 5LTR and 25LTR quantities.
>> (Red tin.)
>> which you should be able to buy from any trade motor factors
>> or they often
>> have their own label brand. Aim to pay around =A310+Vat for
>> 25ltrs as that's
>> an 'average' trade price. However, if you're a 'punter' you
>> might get stung
>> for more :-)
>> If you're near Devon then I can get you some (Our cost is
>> around =A38 from
>> memory.) Its too heavy to ship. Also might be an idea to buy
>> a bale of rags,
>> they always come in handy! Again should need to pay no more
>> than =A310+VAT for
>> low grade coloured cotton rags in 10kg quantities.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: Don't forget the ventilation and decent mask, this is
evil
>> stuff! Also it is very flammable!!!
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben McCormack [mailto:ben@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 20 June 2004 10:27
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> When you say thinners what sort do you mean? are we talking white
>> spirit?
>>
>> On 20 Jun 2004, at 09:53, Rob Mouser wrote:
>>
>>> I know I have removed that icky black adhesive left under
>> vinyl tiles
>>> before
>>> with Thinners, but I guess there are different types of
"icky black
>>> gooey"
>>> stuff???
>>> You do need A LOT of thinners though and plenty of rags to
>> mop up the
>>> goo.
>>> Also LOTS & LOTS of ventilation and a decent face mask.
Thinners in
>>> 25ltr
>>> quantities will cost you no more than =A320 from a trade
>> motor factors.
>>> Actually thinking about its probably only a route for the
insane (I
>>> fall
>>> into that camp.).....But HA cheap! :-)
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Neil Fuller [mailto:neil@xxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 20 June 2004 09:36
>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> It depends on the type of glue used as to whether you can tile
>>> straight over
>>> the top or not.
>>>
>>> Some old glues will prevent the new ceramic tile adhesive from
going
>>> off. If
>>> you intend levelling the floor with a latex screed before
>> tiling, you
>>> *must*
>>> lift the old black "gunk"
>>>
>>> The safest bet (although messy and expensive) is to lift the
old
>>> adhesive
>>> using a scrabbler which you can hire from HSS or similar.
>> The machine
>>> basically removes the top mm or 3 of the screed, taking the
old glue
>>> with
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Your link was broken and may well have been pointing to a
scrabbler
>>> anyway!
>>> It's a messy job but if you don't want your new ceramic
>> tiles lifting,
>>> it's
>>> probably a good idea to get ride of the old black stuff.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Neil
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ben McCormack" <ben@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Home Automation List" <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:02 PM
>>> Subject: [ukha_d] OT : Ceramic Floor Tiling
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I am really hoping that someone can help me here, I have
been
>>>> searching
>>>> deja for ages and I cant fine the answer.
>>>>
>>>> I am intending to tile the kitchen with ceramic tiles.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that we have got hard vinyl tiles down at
>> the moment,
>>>> now I can crape these up but there is still a black tar
>> like residue
>>>> left. Now is it safe to tile over this?
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
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