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Re: X-10 on eBay and our prices.



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Ok perhaps i am coming at this from what i have seen. Working for a retai=
ler where 30% was the bottom line on 99% of the lines.

If you can't cut prices or source cheaper then i guess where stuck with i=
t.

All i was originally saying is these things are too expensive. Take one a=
part. Look at the cheapness of components used. The housing ? My brother
wo=
rks in injection moulding. This stuff would go in the bin, it would never
l=
eave his factory. The quality is so poor and therefore cost penies to
produ=
ce.

Steve.



----- Original Message -----=20
From: K. C. Li=20
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx=20
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] X-10 on eBay and our prices.


>   I wasn't suggesting you where ripping anyone off but it seems to me
> that somewhere along the line sombody is. Many times over. The last
> lamp modules i bought where 4 dollars each.

I have a feeling that you didn't read my comments fully. I repeat: The
factory price for a UK appliance or lamp module is over =A310 for quantit=
ies
of several thousands. Additional costs would have to be added before the
modules get t  the first destination of the line. If anyone is ripping
people off, it is at the start of the line.

>   I still feel the cost is a factor in holding back X10 in the UK and
> for so long.

Yes, cost is a factor but is not always a major one. Obscurity, lack of
choice and features have also contributed to it.

>   Yes i agree that on some individual kits homebase will have made a
> loss but not overall on the quantaties and X10 range they have
> shifted. Some of these kits where oringinally as i recall somewhere
> around 100 quid.

Do you actually know the quantity Homebase have shifted before and now or
are you just assuming?

>   From the retailer i worked for the discount on basic x10 modules was
> approx 7 quid. With discount there was always profit
> left................ Room for a price cut ?

The discount on what price? Of course there is profit left, HA business i=
s
not charity work and we have bills to pay and mouths to feed. The profit,
however, is nowhere near as much as you are assuming though. There is
always room for a price cut, the question is where and how much.

Regards,

Kwong Li
li@xxxxxxx
Laser Business Systems Ltd.
http://www.laser.com




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<A title=3Dli@xxxxxxx href=3D"mailto:li@xxxxxxx";>K. C.
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Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:05 A=
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Re: [ukha_d] X-10 on eBay=
and=20
our prices.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I
wasn't suggesting you where ripping=
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anyone off but it seems to me<BR>&gt; that somewhere along the
line sombo=
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is. Many times over. The last<BR>&gt; lamp modules i bought where
4 dolla=
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fully. I=20
repeat: The<BR>factory price for a UK appliance or lamp module is
over =
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quantities<BR>of several thousands. Additional costs would have to be
add=
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I still feel the cost is a factor in holding back X10 in the UK
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for so long.<BR><BR>Yes, cost is a factor but is not always a
major one.=
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Obscurity, lack of<BR>choice and features have also contributed to=20
it.<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes i agree that on
some individual kits home=
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they have<BR>&gt; shifted. Some of these kits where oringinally
as i reca=
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somewhere<BR>&gt; around 100 quid.<BR><BR>Do you
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Homebase have shifted before and now or<BR>are you just=20
assuming?<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; From the retailer
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on basic x10 modules was<BR>&gt; approx 7 quid. With discount
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profit<BR>&gt; left................ Room for a price cut
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on what price? Of course there is profit left, HA business is<BR>not
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work and we have bills to pay and mouths to feed. The
profit,<BR>however,=
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nowhere near as much as you are assuming though. There is<BR>always
room =
for a=20
price cut, the question is where and how
much.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Kwo=
ng=20
Li<BR>li@xxxxxxx<BR>Laser Business Systems
Ltd.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.laser.com";>http://www.laser.com</A><BR><BR></TT><BR><T=
T><BR><BR>____________________________________<BR>Automated=20
Home UK<BR><A=20
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><BR>____________________________________</TT>=20
<BR><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject t  the
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