RE: Basic stuff... my brain aint working

["Phillip Harris" <phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx>]

Some muppet has had a go at the wiring in our house at some time before we
bought it six months ago ... I found brown and blue cores in the back of a
light switch at the weekend where flex has been used instead of cable, our
downstairs lights seem to run off our cooker breaker, the downstairs
lighting breaker works the outside light and the garage light only, the
downstairs ring breaker controls the loft light and the upstairs ring
breaker controls all the sockets in the house.

God job I was intending to do a complete re-wire at some point wasn't it?

Phil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Cockerton [mailto:alancc@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 07 February 2001 17:31
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
>
>
> Confused me and I know what its all about.
>
> Forget the fact that the wire is normally black, it should actually be
red
> or sleeved with red, its simply the outgoing side of the switch
> to the lamp,
> hence switched live.
>
> Andy, it sounds like someone has messed around with the wiring to
> the switch
> you should not have a brown wire, get an electrician to check it and
the
> rest of the house. For the time being connect your switch using brown
as
> live, if its the wrong way round it will still work, the electrician
can
> then sort it.
>
> Alancc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil F" <automated@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
>
>
> > Your only sure fire way of knowing which is the permanant live
and which
> is
> > the switched live is with a meter, testing from earth to each
conductor.
> > Note that if you have an ELCB in your consumer unit, it may
> trip when when
> > you test to earth...so power down them PCs before you try it :-)
> >
> > the difference between switched live and neutral is a load
between
> > them....if for example you had a 60w bulb as the load and tried
> to use the
> > live side of the bulb as a neutral to another 60w bulb you
> would only have
> > 120V across each one....another way of looking at it is, the
> switched live
> > only resembles a neutral when the circuit is broken i.e. it's
floating
> >
> > Bet the way i have explained it has confused you even more ;-)
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Harrison" <mark.harrison@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:13 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> >
> >
> > >
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> > > I'd _GUESS_ that the brown was live, and the black was live
return
> > >
> > >
> > > ...and no, I can't explain the difference between live
return and
> neutral.
> > > I've had various people try to explain it to me, but never
really seem
> to
> > > get my head round it ;-(
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx
> [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:03 AM
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> > >
> > >
> > > IT's a single switch.,,,
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Harrison <mark.harrison@xxxxxxx>
> > > 07/02/2001 11:45
> > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > >
> > >
> > >         To:     "'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'"
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> > >         Subject:        RE: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain
aint
> working
> > >
> > >
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> > > Is it a single switch, or one part of a two-way switch?
> > >
> > > M.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx
> [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:36 AM
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> > >
> > >
> > > I want to find out if they are both live or one is
neutral...or
> whatever.
> > > (I know there is an easy way to find out if they are live -
but it
> > > hurts!!!)
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "steve" <steve@xxxxxxx>
> > > 07/02/2001 10:51
> > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > >
> > >
> > >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > >         cc:
> > >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain
aint
> working
> > >
> > > Why not get out the voltmeter ? Or at the least a neon
tester ?
> > >
> > > What are you try to achieve or determin ?
> > >
> > > Steve.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <andy.powell@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:14 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> > >
> > >
> > > > No,
> > > >
> > > > I have a Brown cable and a black cable - and that's
it...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Alan Cockerton" <alancc@xxxxxxx>
> > > > 06/02/2001 23:49
> > > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > >         cc:
> > > >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my
brain aint
> > > working
> > > >
> > > > So you have one cable with a red and black and another
with
> brown and
> > > > blue?
> > > >
> > > > Alancc
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Andy Powell" <Andy@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint
working
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > poking out from a wall switch that I wanted to
replace with an X10
> > > > (european style) switch...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A.
> > > > >
> > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/02/01 at 20:07 Alan Cockerton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Where are these wires?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Alancc
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Andy Powell"
<Andy@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > >To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:48 PM
> > > > > >Subject: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint
working
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Guys (n gals?)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Please, I've had a total lapse (I need a
holiday)....
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Brown = Live
> > > > > >> Black = ??? Neutral??? or live loop???
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> No blue in this one..
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> sorry, sorry sorry
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- Tag-it! v2.0 (c) Andy Powell
,1998,1999,2000...and beyond..
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It's hard to believe it, but some teens
are humans.
> > > > > >>
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> > > > > --- Tag-it! v2.0 (c) Andy Powell
,1998,1999,2000...and beyond..
> > > > >
> > > > > Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.
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