Re: Basic stuff... my brain aint working

["Alan Cockerton" <alancc@xxxxxxx>]

Confused me and I know what its all about.

Forget the fact that the wire is normally black, it should actually be red
or sleeved with red, its simply the outgoing side of the switch to the
lamp,
hence switched live.

Andy, it sounds like someone has messed around with the wiring to the
switch
you should not have a brown wire, get an electrician to check it and the
rest of the house. For the time being connect your switch using brown as
live, if its the wrong way round it will still work, the electrician can
then sort it.

Alancc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil F" <automated@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working


> Your only sure fire way of knowing which is the permanant live and
which
is
> the switched live is with a meter, testing from earth to each
conductor.
> Note that if you have an ELCB in your consumer unit, it may trip when
when
> you test to earth...so power down them PCs before you try it :-)
>
> the difference between switched live and neutral is a load between
> them....if for example you had a 60w bulb as the load and tried to use
the
> live side of the bulb as a neutral to another 60w bulb you would only
have
> 120V across each one....another way of looking at it is, the switched
live
> only resembles a neutral when the circuit is broken i.e. it's floating
>
> Bet the way i have explained it has confused you even more ;-)
>
> Neil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Harrison" <mark.harrison@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
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> > I'd _GUESS_ that the brown was live, and the black was live
return
> >
> >
> > ...and no, I can't explain the difference between live return and
neutral.
> > I've had various people try to explain it to me, but never really
seem
to
> > get my head round it ;-(
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:03 AM
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> >
> >
> > IT's a single switch.,,,
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Harrison <mark.harrison@xxxxxxx>
> > 07/02/2001 11:45
> > Please respond to ukha_d
> >
> >
> >         To:     "'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'"
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
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> >         Subject:        RE: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint
working
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> > Is it a single switch, or one part of a two-way switch?
> >
> > M.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:36 AM
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> >
> >
> > I want to find out if they are both live or one is neutral...or
whatever.
> > (I know there is an easy way to find out if they are live - but
it
> > hurts!!!)
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "steve" <steve@xxxxxxx>
> > 07/02/2001 10:51
> > Please respond to ukha_d
> >
> >
> >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> >         cc:
> >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint
working
> >
> > Why not get out the voltmeter ? Or at the least a neon tester ?
> >
> > What are you try to achieve or determin ?
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <andy.powell@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> >
> >
> > > No,
> > >
> > > I have a Brown cable and a black cable - and that's it...
> > >
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Alan Cockerton" <alancc@xxxxxxx>
> > > 06/02/2001 23:49
> > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > >
> > >
> > >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > >         cc:
> > >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain
aint
> > working
> > >
> > > So you have one cable with a red and black and another with
brown and
> > > blue?
> > >
> > > Alancc
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andy Powell" <Andy@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint working
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > poking out from a wall switch that I wanted to replace
with an X10
> > > (european style) switch...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A.
> > > >
> > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> > > >
> > > > On 06/02/01 at 20:07 Alan Cockerton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Where are these wires?
> > > > >
> > > > >Alancc
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Andy Powell" <Andy@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:48 PM
> > > > >Subject: [ukha_d] Basic stuff... my brain aint
working
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Guys (n gals?)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Please, I've had a total lapse (I need a
holiday)....
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Brown = Live
> > > > >> Black = ??? Neutral??? or live loop???
> > > > >>
> > > > >> No blue in this one..
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> sorry, sorry sorry
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- Tag-it! v2.0 (c) Andy Powell
,1998,1999,2000...and beyond..
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's hard to believe it, but some teens are
humans.
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> > > > --- Tag-it! v2.0 (c) Andy Powell ,1998,1999,2000...and
beyond..
> > > >
> > > > Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.
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