RE: Telephonw to CAT5 Patching

["Brian G. Reynolds" <brian.g.reynolds@xxxxxxx>]

Confused the hell out of me......

Good one Keith, I'm just patching in RJ45 sockets back to the patch panel
and then using a coloured patch cable to connect the panels and use a
balum(?) on the RJ45 outlet. I have gone for the small box type balum's as
opposed to the dangly one's as I think they look better in a household
environment. Works OK so I suppose all is correct.

I had thought of cutting the connectors from the phones and attaching
RJ45's
but I understand if you do that and then plug it into a data socket or a
data device into a phone socket it can cause damage to the electrical
equipment, hence using the balum's, at least that gives you a visual idea
that that socket has been patched back as a phone socket.

Geraint, the part number for the balum's I am using is 1912 from
www.Videk.co.uk on page 31 of their current catalogue.

As for the REN's you could use a booster jobby(technical name, honest) I
have been using one for 10 years+ although I now have a 2in 8out phone
system so do not need the booster.

Hope all this is the done thing although it is in a home environment I do
like to stick to the industry "rules" on everything I do, IE ask
an
professional and stick to the health and safety rules although strange to
me
some times probably have good reasons that I do not/could not understand.

B.


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 26 August 2001 11:07
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Telephonw to CAT5 Patching


Hi Geraint,

If I am correct you are saying that each faceplate is like this...

DATA-DATA-MP3-PHONE

There is nothing wrong with that but it is NOT TRUE Structured wiring.

Several systems aimed at the residential market follow that model and some
even use PhoneJack modules for the Phone termination. If that works for you
and avoids confusion then that is fine.

TRUE structured cable would be like this on the faceplates

1-2-3-4	5-6-7-8	9-10-11-12	13-14-15-16
17-18-19-20		21-22		23-24		25-26

etc where the number on the socket refered to the number on the single
patch
bay (which could be several hundred sockets).
The whole concept of structured CAT5 cabling is that ANY socket is for ANY
purpose.

Use coloured patch cords for identification at the patch panels
Green - Network (Data or MP3)
Red	- ISDN
Yellow- Phone or PBX
Blue  - KAT5
Grey  - whatever etc.

Getting back to the wiring of the phone, if you have followed the normal BT
code of
BLUE/White   = B (BT2)
WHITE/Blue   = A (BT5)
ORANGE/White = Bell (BT3)
then the plug in adaptors you can buy will work off the shelf.

I plan to cut the plugs off and crimp on RJ45's. Its cheaper and neater but
you need to carefully assess the connections.

Hole the cable with the BT Plug contacts uppermost (Tag on the right)

Cut the plug off and crimp on an RJ45 using the centre 4 pins again
contacts
uppermost (Tag underneath)

On your patch panel, pick a bank of sockets for the incoming line and
connect them up 1-1-1-1, 2-2-2-2, 3-3-3-3, etc, 8-8-8-8.

To make the incoming patch cord

Get an ordinary Phone cord with plug still attached.

Hole the cable with the BT Plug contacts uppermost (Tag on the right)

Gripping the cable between you fingers, slide the cable through you fingers
until you react the required length.

YOU NOW NEED TO FLIP THE CABLE.

Cut off whatever was on the end.

The cable now inserts into an RJ45 using the centre 4 pins again contacts
uppermost (Tag underneath) BUT WHAT WAS THE UNDERNEATH OF THE CABLE IS NOW
THE TOP.

Dont worry too much if you get the patch cord wrong the first time. You
will
get dial tone but it wont ring. You just have the cable the wrong way
round,
cut the plug off and crimp a new one on the other way round.

Just make sure you get all the phones right. A good tip is to use an
indelible pen to mark either the top or bottom of the original cord BEFORE
you cut the plug off. Just make sure you do them all the same.

If you wanted to hardwire your phone line to the patch bay for phones with
RJ45's on them then I "think" its...

Wire		BTColour		BTPin	RJ45Pin	RJ45Colour
B Wire	BLUE/White		2	6		GREEN/White
A Wire	WHITE/Blue		5	3		WHITE/Green
Bell		ORANGE/White	3	5		WHITE/Blue

.... BUT PLEASE NOTE.. I HAVENT PROVED THIS.

Hope that helps.....if not you are probably even MORE confused now !!!!

Must try this and do a tutorial....but you know how it is ...too many
things...too little time :-((

Keith






> -----Original Message-----
> From: geraint@xxxxxxx [mailto:geraint@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 26 August 2001 10:25
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ukha_d] Telephonw to CAT5 Patching
>
>
> I've just got the patch panels up in place now.
>
> I've done it as follows :
>
> 2 x 24 port DATA
> 1 x 24 port MP3 Network
> 1 x 24 port Voice
>
> So we have 4 sets of Cat5 going to each wallplate (I use 4way Global
> wallplates)
>
> What I want to know is this :-
>
> I have 3 Analogue lines and I have hooked them into a modified
> blanking plate in the cabinet using double Phone wallplates
> (secondary). There are 4 for each line, giving 8 connections per
> inbound line. (I know they can't all be hooked up at once due to REN
> limitations)
>
> I want to loop from these sockets onto RJ45 plugs, which then sends
> to the Wallplates. That way I can patch telephones as I require.
>
> Question is, what the correct way to cable ?
>
> I need to cable from BT wallsockets into patch panel.
>
> My CAT5 wiring follows the colour coding on Keith's site.
>
> What can I do at the Wallplate end, is it possible to put an RJ45
> plug onto the phones ? If so, what wiring colours or pinouts should
> be used at that end ?
>
> Sorry to be so much of a mumbler at this early hour on a Sunday, but
> I noticed Mr Doxey was up and about.
>
> Kindest Regards as always
>
> Geraint
>
>
>
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