Re: What would you do differently if you were to automate a new home from scratch?

["Grahame" <Grahame_Edwards@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well
"ladder logic that *must* be stopped to be reprogrammed and then
restarted/rebooted"
WRONG I have rewitten systems while still running over the last 20
years
You do not know what you are talking about

Both Clipsal and EIB have simular functionality but EIB has a choice of
120+ manufacturers
Why so many manufactures are they all stupid or is it good

If you have an argument atleast make sure you are correct in you
statments

> On 30 Sep 2006 01:35:35 -0700, "Grahame" <Grahame_Edwards@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote in message  <1159605335.020043.275380@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> >Having Degrees and telling people that you have them the first time you
> >talk is not very good, do you have any experience?
> >
> >Going wireless is not good due to reliability problems with
> >interference and distance
> >Using a laptop or any central system as main control is madness
> >distributed control is the only way to give resilience.
> >I am sure no one wants to wait for the laptop to reboot to turn on a
> >light. Systems like Konnex and C-Bus have this distributed control
>
> Hmmm ... Dr David Nelson -- who designed computerized instrumentation for
> experiments in nuclear physics in the 1960's, was a designer of PRIME
> Computers, co-founded Apollo Computers (later sold to HP) and then started
> Savoy Software and designed and wrote CyberHouse IBM PC-compatible home
> automation software -- states that he has installations that have run
> continuously 24x7 from 1998 to date. Does his experience seem adequate to
> you? Where is the "madness" in his MS-OS, PC-based solution?
>
> Dr. Nelson  makes available an extremely lucid beginning of a book on
> concurrency in computer applications and its application to event-based home
> automation software design.  Highly Recommended (slow download):
>
> http://www.savoysoft.com/Downloads/Concurrency.pdf
>
> I have run CyberHouse from Fall 1999 with no failure that I know of ever from
> the software or OS. I received a free, full-version integer (3.x to 4.0)
> upgrade as recently as this February. It has been hands down the best
> software value for a major piece of software in 25+ years of dishing out $.
> Folks that listened to the hardware bigotry and hawking software vaporware in
> this newsgroups beginning in 1999 missed out on a spectacularly good, long
> ride ...
>
> And this (Cyberhouse) software can be modified to add and subtract devices on
> the fly, and change rules on the fly -- no reboot necessary. In contrast, it
> *is* in fact the distributed systems that use (eg) ladder logic that *must*
> be stopped to be reprogrammed and then restarted/rebooted. This applies to
> Ocelot, security panels and most  "distributed control" devices. One of the
> most hilarious  claims made here in comp.home.automation is that 'you program
> the Ocelot _once_ '.
>
> (Clipsal is a notable exception that allows devices to added or subtracted on
> the fly. Was that your point?)
>
> ... Marc
> Marc_F_Hult
> www.ECOntrol.org