Re: Monitoring Conversion

["ABLE1" <royboynospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear E.

I have been in the business a long time, no spring chicken, and I am
not offended at all.  I realize all the pit falls of the discussion.
And if you wanted to continue the thoughts it goes way beyond any
issue of a past installer screwing things up.  However I doubt that
anyone can put together a system that some smart ass attorney can't
make ones life a living hell just picking at every detail or the way
you might twist your wires before termination.  The fear factor can
be extended to many more aspects of the alarm business.

But all of this is basically a moot point with me, since I was not
asking for info for anything that I was working on.  The info was
for another dealer that am friends with.  He is the one that was
considering looking into the possibilities.  I was just doing the
searching.  I believe he has or will be coming up with an
alternative game plan.  He has been in the business for a number of
years more than me.  I have passed your dissertation on to him as a
courtesy.

All is good here.  Life goes on.

Have a good day.

Les


"E DAWSON" <edawson@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:w8y3s.11$PX.4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Les,
>
> Why would you ever want to takeover a panel without checking out
> thoroughly
> what the previous company programmed into the panel?
>
> Do you want to take on the liability for the errors that may be
> lurking from
> the previous company's not-so-swift tech who may not have known
> what he was
> doing?
>
> A company is only as good or reliable as its worst technician.
>
> The independent third-party that makes itself know when something
> goes
> wrong (fire, burglary, rape, etc), is the insurance company's
> lawyers.
> Everyone involved is fair game. Unless you have really deep
> pockets like ADT
> to fight and eventually win even when there is gross negligence,
> you are
> putting yourself, company, and license at risk.
>
> Change the board if you do not have the skill yet to be able to
> crack it
> open. Do the right thing and be proud of your work. You owe it to
> your
> customers, not to your pocketbook. You can ask for some or all of
> the money
> for the cost of the board.
>
> After all, you are in the "security" industry and that is what
> your
> customers expect. Be a security professional, not a monitoring
> revenue
> junkie.
>
> If you find these words offensive, you have been in the business
> too long.
> If you are fairly new, you learned from the wrong people.
>
> There is a device by http://www.digitaldiverter.com/ but that is
> tied to their central
> station.
>
> Search or call Security Systems News publication/website. I
> remember an article
> about 2008, a new startup company had a way to default panels to
> factory installer.
> You had to pay for each takeover. I spoke to the president of the
> company at the time.
> I had been under the impression that you just bought the device
> and could then
> default the installer code. But no, he wanted recurring revenue
> for it. You could
> buy a chip or something that would be good for 5, 10 or 20 times.
> We parted
> on not so good terms. Now basically, we don't even need him. Very
> seldom do
> we have to replace a panel because we can't get into it.
>
> As far as I am concerned, it should be illegal to refuse to make a
> former
> customer's panel accessible within 48 hours after notification.
> Man, think about it,
> what if the telephone industry was setup like this.   "I'm sorry
> Mam, but I can't
> get into your phone to program the answering machine and the speed
> dials. It's
> locked out. You'll have to buy a whole new phone"....well, an
> alarm panel is
> just really a complicated phone, isn't it?
>
>
>
>
> "ABLE1" <royboynospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:HU82s.631846$2a.147255@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Sometime ago there was some discussion about a device to assist
>> in a takeover of a panel with out having to do any programming.
>> As I remember it was a thingie that plugged in at the RJ31X and
>> would communicate to your C/S.
>>
>> Anyone have a name or model that I can search for??
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Les
>
>