Re: Does anybody have experience with the following equipment?

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Dec 20, 12:12=A0pm, Robert Macy <robert.a.m...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 10:11=A0pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Dec 19, 3:53=A0pm, Robert Macy <robert.a.m...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > Anybody have experiences, good/bad? with any of the following
> > > Supercircuits products:
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> > > Outdoor Day/Night Camera: BLK-CZT242VH
> > > 8 channel DVR: BLK-DH200800D
> > > 8 Camera PS: DC12-8CAMHP
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> > > Easy to install, reliable, etc.
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> > Most .... alot of Supercircuits and Security Cameras Direct products
> > are low to medium quality level. Some are pretty good but they are the
> > one's that cost the most. The problem is ..... you never know if the
> > one your are buying is a good low priced product or a cheap low priced
> > product. We (in the trade) can buy low priced CCTV equipment from our
> > suppliers also but .... those of us who want to retain customers for
> > the long haul are not willing to take the risk of buying a cheap
> > product that we are warrantying. I don't want to have to go back to a
> > customer in a year to replace a camera or DVR that hasn't lasted. I
> > don't do as much CCTV installation as the people who use the cheap
> > stuff but the products I put in last and last and last. And that's the
> > issue I always raise when someone who has asked me for a quote and see
> > that my pricing is on the high side. I don't install crap. I'd rather
> > not get the job than have to make excuses because what I installed
> > failed or my customer see's his friends system that looks twice as
> > good as what I put in. I've got cameras and DVR's in the field for ten
> > or more years with out a failure ( except for hard drives, which is
> > expected) Maybe some of the cheaper products would last as long, I
> > don't know, but I'm not going to take the chance.
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> > Most of it is easy to install (for me) Some of the DVR setup for
> > remote viewing can be a PITA though. Mainly because the mfg techs
> > don't want to get into helping you make changes to the customers
> > routers/networks etc. They don't want to be involved if a router get's
> > bricked or a breach in security is caused. Can't blame them ....
> > though. I always tell the client that there's a possibility that they
> > may have to call in an IT guy to set up their network for remote
> > viewing.
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> Jim,
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> Thank you for your comments. Yes, in security systems, I'm buying the
> FUNCTION not the COMPONENT. =A0Therefore, it should last years, and
> years.
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> We're located 40 miles north of Phoenix. Where are you physically
> located? =A0Can I buy such a system through your books?
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> Even with shipping might save substantially and improve your volume.
> Please let me know.-

I'm located in New York .... and ..... no ........ I would not
provide an end user with the means to bypass an installing dealer.
I've spent 40 years learning and honing my skills and knowledge about
my trade. The fact that I provide information here is even somewhat of
a breach of (my) ethics.

The fact that an end user has to go through a learning curve to obtain
what they feel is sufficent information about a DIY project, gives the
smart ones some pause to question if they are up to the skills
required for them to complete their project to meet their needs
or .......  if they have overlooked some important fact that they
failed to discover.  However, nowdays, with the advent of the
Internet, there are always those in any trade who are willing to give
away what they have worked so hard to obtain. ( Where that way of
thinking comes from deserves a little polictical rant: I believe this
is due to the gradual overthrow of the populace by the "liberal" way
of thinking. The Bible says that the meek shall inherit the earth. Now
when I  read that quote I believe that it wasn't a prophecy but a
threat. Look at us! Anything that anyone, even the tinyest faction,
wants to do ..... is acceptable, based on the  "All men are created
equal" saying. What isn't taken into consideration anymore is that
from that point of creation onward, some people become unequal and
therfore should be disregarded and even in some cases chastized and
not embraced. The "liberal" refuse to make the choice between
rational, disregarded and chastized. Everything is ok to do.  End of
rant) ( Sorry bout that!)

Even though I'm located in New York and it would be no skin of my nose
if I undercut the possibility of some installer in Phoenix from
getting a job,  it's just not something that I would do. But, keep
trying,  More people think that everything is OK to do ...... than
don't.

Don't take it personal.