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Re: Just doing business on OPM



ewww Toll Brothers low bid on everything,  high price for house...if buyers
only knew what crap lay behind the fancy faux-painted walls!




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**Crash Gordon**







"Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> oh no I totally agree, they think because we're small (micro actually)
>> that we will be their whipping boys.
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> I watched a major builder (Toll Brothers) burn out 3 different companies
> on one small development (120 homes). The low voltage package was sent out
> for bid again and yet another company picked it up. The housing market
> crashed so I imagine the 4th company crashed with it. I wonder why our
> industry stands in line to be abused. Amazing. When will these mega
> companies figure out that almost every bit of technology, in todays world,
> is tied to low voltage applications at some point and that the industry
> needs to be paid to perform? These companies are masters at figuring out
> how to stretch you out. With the best of contracts, you can be stretched
> out 45 days+ even if contract payment is set for 30 day pay. Mailing from
> out of state could put another 5 days on it. Watch out for pay schedules
> that require all invoicing to be in by the 20th of the month for approval
> so that it can be in the main office by the 30th. They will hold you off
> until after the 20th on doing the work so that you cannot bill until the
> 20th of the following month. Now you are out 70 days. Also, I found it
> necessary to put each billable item on separate invoice. This way, if an
> invoice contains an item that is not approved and is kicked back, approved
> items will not be held up for payment. All this is mostly with the
> residential builders. Larger commerial and industrial is percentage draws
> which isn't as bad. The draw isn't on schedule, the work stops. Much
> easier.
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>> "I R AN IDIOT" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> CAPITALIST PIGBOY!
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>>>> Sheesh,...what you trying to do STAY in business when we have a bailout
>>>> waiting for you?!
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>>>> Where's HIS letter to you?
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>>> Doesn't matter.  We have all received letters like his from some big
>>> corp who wants to dictate terms to the little guys.  Most little guys
>>> just roll over and are happy to get paid whatever they can.  I don't.
>>> Its my choice, and its company policy.
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>>> I have had companies try all kinds of things to not pay me, but the
>>> small jobs terms (under 20 grand) has saved my ass more than once.
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>>> "Go ahead and get started."
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>>> "Yes sir.  Just as soon as I get your deposit we will order the parts."
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