Re: OT /Interesting amusing statistic

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jun 21, 4:43=A0pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 9:51 am, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jun 20, 11:55 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
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> > > "tourman" wrote:
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> > > > RHC: AARRRHH....use my $3500 custom made Open Springfield Armoury o=
r my
> > > > $2500 Kimber Custom Shop .45's as a HAMMER.........Holy.#$$#^&^$%
> > > > %......Gawd....you jest.....!!!!!!! Oh, the insult.....:))
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> > > Heh, heh, heh... :^)
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> > > I wouldn't know an "Open Springfield Armoury" from a paint ball gun i=
f it fell
> > > on my foot, Bob, but it does sound interesting. If not a hammer, how =
would it
> > > do at prying open shipping cases?
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> > > --
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> > > Regards,
> > > Robert L Bass
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> > RHC: Registrations is one of those bugaboos the gun control advocates
> > use to justify their actions. They portray registration of guns as a
> > simple matter, much like registering automobiles, so why should we be
> > afraid of it ? Well registering cars is done for several
> > purposes...the main one being revenue, the secondary one being control
> > and tracking. However, no one is refused registration of a vehicle
> > although they may not have a license to drive it, or have a suspended
> > one. Firearms registration is put forward as a means of tracking
> > stolen guns, which it can do, but experience in our country shows it
> > does only in a very limited way, but at a cost FAR greater than it's
> > value. The vast majority of guns used in "guns and gangs" crimes are
> > not stolen from private parties, but smuggled in on the black market.
> > I put up with the useless controls of registration and "transport
> > permits" daily. They have no bearing on controlling crime, but make my
> > life in real time much more difficult. I doubt that controlling me, or
> > tens of thousands like me, has any bearing on crime control !!
>
> > Make no mistake, gun registration has as it primary purpose to limit
> > who can own that firearm, and who can move around with it. Our long
> > gun registry has shown the futility of such a venture, costing
> > billions of dollars, with little to nothing to show for it. New
> > Zealand tried it and gave it up after 15 years for lack of benefit
> > versus cost. England did it, and simply used it as a means of
> > collecting legal firearms when they chose to ban handguns, which is
> > it's REAL purpose when all is said and done !
>
> > A "war" is not won by one decisive action, but a series of small
> > victories. In this case, gun control is far more likely to be
> > successful through a series of back door approaches to legislative
> > change - a local ordinance here, a small control law there! A State
> > control versus a Federal control ! This complexity of controls State
> > to State not only serves to fustrate legal ownership, but it also
> > makes it much more likely a traveller can run afoul of the laws of any
> > jurisdiction he is passing through. For example, simply travelling to
> > Florida with my competition guns, I must avoid New York city,
> > Washington; I can't travel through Maryland, nor Chicago. Last time I
> > faced an hour stoppage at the New York / Ontario border simply because
> > the Homeland Security officer had no idea what the US laws are. I
> > finally made it through after the ATF gave her shit and told her to
> > stop harrassing me - I had all the necessary permits (who in their
> > right mind would try to cross without them......)
>
> > Here in Canada, no one can own any kind of firearm without what is
> > called a PAL (Possession and Acquisition Certificate). This is good
> > for five years, and obtained only after a police background check,
> > sign on by your spouse that you are not a danger to her or anyone, and
> > written certification by someone else that they have known you for at
> > least two years and they can vouch for your character. This is
> > followed by a mandatory two day course given by the government to show
> > you know the laws, know how to handle the firearm properly, and have a
> > general knowledge of firearms. ONLY THEN, are you issued this PAL,
> > which is necessary for any firearms related activity - to purchase
> > guns or ammo, or to obtain other permits needed to move around with
> > restricted firearms (handguns, AR15, "military lookalikes" etc), or
> > non restricted (rifles and shotguns). This might seem onerous to US
> > citizens, but we have learned to live with it, and it does have the
> > benefit of ensuring gun ownership is taken seriously. But make no
> > mistake, controls don't end there !! We still have the bullshit of
> > registration, further controls over movement on restricted firearms,
> > plus the normal myriad of hunting license controls, and other sensible
> > controls over safe transport and storage. Bottom line, my sporting
> > activities here in Canada are totally controlled by the whim of the
> > Chief Firearms Officer of Ontario - a police authority heavily
> > influenced by the political party of the day that happens to be in
> > power. Although their influence is largely unobtrusive to me and other
> > shooters, we all know he can pull the plug at any time, or close down
> > any range at any time !! (as they have done)
>
> > Registration still remains the almost universally hated control. In
> > itself, it has lead to the greatest point of harrassment by unfriendly
> > authorities, and is a HUGE tax drain for limited if any benefits. And
> > since authorities almost universally can't be trusted to act in good
> > faith in the future, it is the point of greatest danger to continued
> > reasonable access to gun ownership by the general population.
>
> > I suggest you guys in the US fight it with everything at your
> > disposal. It IS the point of no return !!-
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> All of this is of major concern to me and has been ..... frustratingly
> so, for decades.
>
> One of the things that really concerns me, is that of the millions
> of gun owners here, so relatively few are NRA members.
> We have the organization here (NRA) =A0that will look out for our
> "Constitutional" right, but the lethargy amazes me.

RHC: No, what you are seeing is a side of human nature that is not
good. Many people simply don't believe "it can happen to them". Others
find any number of excuses to keep from coughing up the price of a
couple of movies annually to in fact actually save their future
activities. A large number complain about every little thing in life
and choose to leave it to others. Other more casual gun owners simply
don't see the threat because day to day activities blinds them to the
politics of it. And others are simply too damn cheap to spend a dollar
for something they don't perceive as giving them immediate
gratification. We had, and still have, the same problem up here.

Many gun clubs in the USA make NRA membership a mandatory part of
their club membership. This is an excellent idea and one we are
starting to adopt up here (membership in the National Firearms
Association...the follow on organization to FARO (Firearms and
Responsible Ownership), which I and several others founded in the
early 70's). The sad part is the NRA truly does have the real strength
to make politicians stand up and take notice. Years of being in this
"business" tells me that if every gun owner in the USA became a
member, your problems would be solved - period !! No one would dare to
take them on and survive politically !! That's the real shame of
it !!!!!!!

And to those who would complain about the fact that the NRA would then
become one of the most powerful "bullies" in the US political arena -
too f' ing bad !! If it takes that for gun owners to survive, more
power to 'em !!!! That's the real effect of "power to the people".....

I wish I was younger and an American citizen. I feel strongly enough
about this issues that I would have joined the NRA to actually work
for them and really set up a sales program to increase membership. We
grew a lobby organization that started with four people and rose to
10,000 paid memberships in a couple of years. Even with that small a
membership, it wasn't hard to give the politicians a run for their
money,especially when you meet them one on one in a public podium, and
if you understand the issues, and don't let yourself get led into all
the "anti gun traps", and can speak well. We left many politicians
shaking in their boots since they got badly beaten because they simply
spouted the usual anti-gun horseshit, or spouted the party line of the
day...

Sadly, all I can do now is "warn" others, many of whom "will not see"
either through naivety or stupidity !! Don't think the English
situation can't ever happen in the US.

The military have a saying that is appropriate....."the best defence
lies in a strong offence"...