Re: OT /Interesting amusing statistic

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Jun 19, 5:01=EF=BF=BDpm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 1:54=EF=BF=BDpm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jun 19, 7:56 am, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 18, 5:53 pm, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > "Jim" wrote:
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> > > > > Doctors vs Gun owners:
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> > > > > Doctors :
> > > > > (A) The number of physicians in the U.S.. is 700,000.
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> > > > > (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
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> > > > > (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
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> > > > > Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.
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> > > > > So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more
> > > > > dangerous than gun owners.
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> > > > The quoted statistics don't take into account the more significant =
issue of
> > > > "number of overall incidents." Let us assume that the average docto=
r sees 30
> > > > patients per day. Now let us assume that gun owners accidentally fi=
re their
> > > > weapons only once every 10 years.
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> > > > If we multiply the number of doctors (700,000) by patients per day =
(30) and
> > > > again multiply the result by number of days the average doctor actu=
ally works
> > > > in a given year (say 200) we have 4,200,000,000 doctor-patient inte=
ractions
> > > > per year. Divide this into 120,000 and we find that you have a 0.00=
0028
> > > > chance of dying from a doctor visit.
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> > > > Now take the number of accidental gunshots -- 8,000,000 owners once=
 every 10
> > > > years. 1,500 of these accidental discharges result in deaths. Divid=
e 1,500
> > > > by (80,000,000/10) and we find that the likelihood of death from ac=
cidental
> > > > discharge of a firearm is 0.0001875. Thus the chance of dying from =
any given
> > > > accidental discharge of a firearm is nearly 7 times that of visitin=
g a doctor.
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> > > > This does not take into account the number of people who die of hea=
rt attacks
> > > > after receiving the physicians' bills. It also does not take into
> > > > consideration the probability that all of the statistics in the cit=
ed report
> > > > were made up on the spot by the author of the report, just like the=
 ones I
> > > > just made up. :^)
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> > > > --
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> > > > Regards,
> > > > Robert L Bass
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> > > RHC: Although both posts were made "tongue in cheek", it does
> > > illustrate how the gun hating and other paranoid groups use the same
> > > kind of approach to "prove" any number of ridiculous claims about the
> > > harm of private gun ownership. Distortion of the truth by the misuse
> > > of statistics is the name of the game in both the US and Canada on an=
y
> > > number of issues (not just the gun control issue but definately with
> > > the gun control issue). You always have to look at the source of any
> > > report to get the true "colour" of the facts....
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> > > I think one of our long dead Prime Ministers said it correctly when
> > > faced with a poll showing stats that weren't in his favour..." Polls
> > > are for dogs to pee on...."-
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> > Robert, how is the situation going up your way? Has it quited down or
> > are they still hell bent on taking away your right of self defense?
>
> RHC: Right now, the situation is stable but far from good. The long
> gun registry is still law, but each year the Conservative government
> (Republican) passes an exemption so you can't legally be charged with
> a crime for not registering your long guns. However, if the Liberals
> (Democrats) ever get in power, they will eliminate this exemption
> allowing the police authorities (who generally are either neutral or
> anti-gun) to start to harass non compliant but otherwise honest gun
> owners. It doesn`t seem to bother them at a Federal level that half
> the provinces in Canada refuse to even comply with the long gun
> registry at all, due to the largely rural nature of these provinces.
> Nor the fact that after six years in place, the compliancy rate is
> abysmal...(estimated at less than 20% nation wide). And the government
> of Quebec is so damn anti-gun because of the Montreal mass murders of
> a number of women a few years ago, they would go it on their own if
> the Federal Conservatives ever did manage to kill this multi-billion
> dollar long gun registry boondoggle (as they have officially stated in
> their platform many times....)
>
> Handguns are strictly controlled (since 1934) to the point of being
> not available at all unless you are a member of an approved handgun
> club. I am definately in the minority since I have all the necessary
> permits allowing me to travel all over Canada and the US for the
> purposes (only) of shooting in approved competitions (they are in a
> binder fully 1/2 inch thick..no kidding...and took me years to get).
> In Canada, there is no right to self defense practically speaking. If
> you ever shot anyone, even someone trying to break in to your home,
> you would honestly find yourself in far more trouble than the burglar.
> All firearms have to be kept in a locked gun safe, and can only be
> transported (except when actually hunting) in a locked hard shell
> case, also with a trigger lock installed. So legally, they could never
> be available in the case of an emergency break in or home invasion
> anyway...
>
> Bottom line, most of the time, I feel like a man standing on the end
> of a plank. Every gangland shooting up here and the anti's go off the
> deep end, calling for the banning of all legal handguns (some 550,000
> LEGAL handguns Canada wide including law enforcement) and endless
> other unnecessary and dire restrictions against all the wrong people
> Bottom line, it`s not good, but not likely to ever get better given
> the Canadian anti-gun bias deep within our left wing psyche !! I sure
> wish we had an NRA type organization up here to keep the loonies at
> bay but that too won`t ever happen......
>
> I simply shoulder along going from one IPSC and USPSA Practical
> Shooting match to another, and try to enjoy the sport without looking
> too hard over my shoulder. I can say with all honesty, that if you
> guys had the wonderful medical coverage we all do up here, I would
> seriously consider moving Stateside permanently.....
>
> But that`s not likely to happen either....:))-

We're all waiting to see what is inevitably going to happen here, in
the next few years.
In spite of a recent favorable ruling by the Supreme Court, it does
not bode well for law abiding gun owers.