Re: Looking for schematics for Fire-Lite MS-424A

[JoeRaisin <joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> On Nov 28, 8:23 am, JoeRaisin <joerai...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>alarman wrote:
>>
>>>1. The man just wants schematics so that he can experiment on some old
>>>boards.
>>
>>No, he wants to experiment so he can more readily troubleshoot the board
>>later.  Why would he need to do that if he wasn't planning on field repairs?
>
>
> Because some idiots like me collect these things for the fun of it.
> If you don't believe me, try searching YouTube for videos of people
> demonstrating them.  These panels are discontinued, and hardly state-
> of-the-art, it's not like I'm asking for schematics on a Simplex 4100,
> which is a current product (and much more complex).
>
>
>>>2. He stated that he has been previously employed repairing fire alarm
>>>systems.
>>
>>He said he had repaired fire alarm systems for a past job - how do you
>>know he wasn't the maintenance man at some church?
>
>
> FWIW, I've installed and repaired systems (down to board-level repairs
> when we could obtain schematics) while working for Purdue University
> as a student.  If that scares you, well, I don't know what to say.
> What I've got is the "bad" systems that I purchased from Purdue's
> surplus outlet.  I'll probably go talk to my old coworkers to see if
> there are any schematics in the shop, considering that it seems like
> I'm not going to get anything useful out of here.
>
>
>>>He may be qualified to do board level repairs, or he may not. If he is,
>>>he'll do it as well as anyone at the "factory". If he wants to assume
>>>liability, how is that any skin off our noses?
>>
>>Yeah, a solder job done on a garage work-bench is always as solid as one
>>done in a factory setting.
>
>
> Who says that I don't have the proper tools like a temperature
> controlled iron, proper DVM and o'scope, and other tools that they'd
> have in the factory.   And, if we pretend that I were going to use
> these in a "life safety" situation (which I've already said that I'm
> not), who's to say that the person at the factory is going to do a
> better job at the repair that I am?  I certainly would rather trust my
> own life to something that I repaired than something that was repaired
> by a $2/day worker in the far-east.   I've worked with crappy, lazy
> repair techs, and am just as disgusted by them as Frank said he is.
>
> The only thing they have over me is insurance, and troubleshooting
> experience (and the appropriate service manuals).  If I get service
> manuals, and am insured (I don't know, maybe if I were doing this as a
> business and finished getting my PE), that would put me basically on
> the same level as a factory repair, wouldn't it?
>
>
>>I'll admit I assumed the worst case scenario, so if the OP can assure us
>>that I have it wrong and these refurbished boards will NEVER end up
>>installed in a life-safety situation then I'll be happy to apologize.
>>
>>But it's kind of a sad statement that someone risking the lives of
>>people we don't know is no concern of ours.
>
>
> Ok, but you have no evidence that I was going to use this information
> in such a way, you just blindly assumed it..
>
> Pat

And I said as much in my second to last paragraph.  I also said that I
would apologize if I were wrong - So I apologize.