Re: More Brinks stuff for sale.

["Roland Moore" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>someone at Brinks is going to start asking some hard questions.

Someone at Brinks should have asked questions a long time ago. An otherwise
erudite attorney is lurking in an obscure alarm newsgroup for fodder for his
case? How ridiculous! If any group of folks are more regulated in this state
I can't imagine who they'd be. If he needs to find out who is hurting
Brink's interests by doing something illegal, I am obligated by the rules
all are licensed under to help him if asked. And what "trade secrets" could
ultimately be so worthwhile to Brinks to pursue this mess? I realize, and
Brinks does too, the low skill level of their employees. That is the way
they want them and pay them. My hat is off to Brinks for their success in
the market place to date. However, for those of us that don't work with
three doors and a motion for a living, just what is to be gained by this
expensive legal pursuit? Brinks' business model (along with ADT and others)
has made their target customers too unprofitable for many independent
dealers to court. There is a whole other world of security that most of us
have moved on to. Brinks is welcome to their customer base and their
equipment. When that customer is sick of Brinks, he'll come to us on his
own. What Jim does (or doesn't do) simply can't influence that process one
way or another.

"Frank Olson" <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Q5wUi.147822$Da.78209@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Just Looking wrote:
> > He told the judge to "fumar de wiener"?
>
> No.  Jim's far to polite to ever say that (even to a judge).
>
> He was unable to go for personal reasons I won't reveal here.  If Jim
> wants to, that's different.
>
> While we're on the subject, I wrote an email to Brink's attorney.  I
> haven't heard "squeak".  I've also managed to resolve the issue of "Tech
> Help!" with my hosting provider.  To make a long story short, if Brinks
> is able to provide me with details of where their IP or Copyright has
> been violated, I've advised them I would remove the software
> immediately.  I also referred them to my disclaimer and requested that
> future communications should be directed to me as I'm in a better
> position to judge whether-or-not "Tech Help!" poses a threat to them (or
> the security community at large).  Jim posting the default installer
> code for their panels is not, in my opinion, a threat unless they're
> dumb enough not to change it.  And if they are, in fact, only "renting"
> equipment, then local programming lock-out should be enabled to prevent
> *anyone* from accessing installer level programming.
>
> All of this, of course, raises another question.  Why would Brinks
> choose to "dumb down" and eliminate some of the user features available
> on the standard Vista panel?  I can't for the life of my figure out why
> they would want to eliminate something as important as keypad
> supervision (for instance).  On a UL Res Fire certified system, they'd
> have to disable the "fire buttons" on those keypads.  Seems to me that
> makes selling against them pretty easy.  Perhaps that's the reason they
> want everything to do with their equipment to remain in their domain (as
> if *that's* going to "keep it secret").
>
> eBay is actively auctioning Brinks yard signs and stickers.  They've
> only recently sold a complete Brinks system (brand new and in a sealed
> box).  Where do you imagine the sellers are getting this stuff?  Why
> aren't Brinks attorneys shutting down http://wwww.alarmsbc.com (or at
> the very least getting them to pull their collection of Brinks user
> manuals)?  I just don't get it.  Is Jim a "fall guy" because they figure
> he's a "push-over" and it'll be easy to obtain a judgment?  Once they
> get it will they be able to use that against other individuals?  I can't
> see how a "default judgment" against Jim would work for them because
> they still haven't managed to actually identify the IP they're defending.
>
> Jim says they're at around the 50K mark.  I can believe that.  Sableman
> won't come cheap, but sooner or later, someone at Brinks is going to
> start asking some hard questions.