Re: EOL's

["Norm Mugford" <1alarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mr. Bass

You're way out of line.

Mr. Colombo is not deserving of your rude remarks.

Norm Mugford




"Robert L Bass" <sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On 20 Feb 2006 04:27:57 -0800, "Al Colombo"
> <securitymission@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Frank.
>>
>> I can assure you that Bass is not telling the truth on the issue.
>
> I can assure you that Al is lying on this matter.  He made up the
> conversation to suit his own weak ego.
>
>> He has no idea about my background...
>
> Your foreground being what it is, it's difficult even to see your
> background.
>
>> I think it's not that hard to tell a "reporter" who writes
>> about security from someone who's worked in the
>> field.
>
> I never said you hadn't worked in the field many years ago.  I
> said that most of the stuff you "write" is just quotes from what
> others have written for you.
>
>> I've never elaborated much in the news group or in
>> any of the mags concerning my past.  Perhaps it's
>> time to do that...
>
> Yes, tell us about your "degree" as an engineer's assistant.
> Which university was that?
>
>> This will be one of the longer posts I've made on the
>> news group, so please forgive.
>
> All is forgiven (and most snipped)
>
>>
>> I had my own company from 1974 through 1986.  When I sold it, the name
>> of the firm was Alarm & Communications Co.  I specialized in apartment
>> security as I was a Nutone Independent Installing Dealer as well as a
>> Nutone Service Center...
>
> Ah, yes.  Nutone Intercoms.  They were junk even by the standards
> at the time.  I've ripped out more Nutone intercoms than I care
> to recall.  We'd bring sheet rock and lots of spackle every time
> we replaced one since the old Nutones were huge, recessed boxes.
>
> I've yet to see a 5-year old Nutone intercom that was still
> working.  I sell replacement parts for them only because most
> people don't want to fix the huge holes that would be left in
> their walls if they replaced them with better quality hardware.
>
> If you were pushing Nutone I can understand why you had to get
> out of the business.  After a while it would take three service
> techs for every installer just to keep up with the constantly
> failing hardware.
>
>> I also held a distributorship with tekTone and Faraday.
>
> That's nice.  I have relationships with almost every major
> manufacturer and distributor in the industry.
>
>> I worked primarily with Napco burglar alarm systems in
>> those early days...
>
> Thank goodness you got that part right.
>
>> In 1980 I studied and became a locksmith ...
>>
>> My forte ended up within the industrial fire suppression...
>
> You were a plumber, too.  What an interesting resume.  When I get
> back to Florida I'll give you a call.  We have a drain that keeps
> getting clogged and... :^)
>
>> and detection sectors as I worked for about 7 of those
>> 12 years for a large fire suppression company who worked
>> three states.  I ended up selling my company in 1986 to
>> that firm and working for them for 3 1/2 years until I took
>> the full time position with SDM.
>
> Knowing how little SDM pays vs the potential income from
> operating an alarm company, one wonders what problems led to your
> dismissal.
>
>> While I worked for that firm...
>> --- snip ---
>> You can't help but pick up a thing or two with that kind
>> of experience...
>
> Perhaps if you had learned a thing or two about resistor
> tolerance I'd believe you.
>
>> I re-entered the field in 2001 when I resigned from SDM.
>
> Why did they fire you?  SDM is a pretty tolerant outfit.  They
> must have been really upset with you over something.
>
>> I ended up working at a large electrical firm where I
>> establshed a low-voltage company.  We were in the
>> black in about 2 years and three months. I resigned
>> from there in the fall of 2004 when I signed on full
>> time with SSI.
>
> So here you were, running a successful alarm company again and
> yet you took a major pay cut to become a reporter for a third
> rate trade mag?  What's wrong with this picture, Al?  Why is it
> that every time you work for someone else you end up "resigning"
> as soon as they are on their feet?  Could it be that there's an
> underlying personality disorder or are you just making this stuff
> up?
>
>> To address the alarm problem/resistor issue itself, I don't even think
>> the original poster's problem was directly related to the EOL changing
>> it's resistance since he was referring to a burglar alarm system that
>> uses a closed loop.  I posted my thoughts on that as well.
>
> Yes, and you were wrong.  You tried to explain resistor tolerance
> as the issue, stating that the rated tolerance has to do with how
> much the resistor will drift over time.  Of course, that doesn't
> explain anything at all since there are no resistors made with a
> 57% tolerance rating.  Could it just possibly be that you were
> simply wrong and that all the rest of this crap is an attempt to
> avoid admitting the simple truth.  You spoke "through your hat"
> as the saying goes.
>
>> As far as tolerance goes, there's not a lot to discuss, really.
>> If you have a 1,000 ohm resistor and it has a 10% tolerance
>> band, out of the box it could be a anywhere from 900 to
>> 1100 ohms in resistance.
>
> Very good.  That is what I tried to explain to you.  You're
> learning.
>
>> Really, what else is there to say about tolerance?
>
> Not much at all.
>
>> But my point was this, if you are dealing with a 20% tolerance
>> resistor, and given time with heat and humidity, or an induced
>> high current from a nearby lightning strike, the variance from
>> the required ohmage can vary even wider.
>
> Uh, no.  That is not what you originally said, Al.  You said that
> the marked tolerance is an indication of how much the resistor
> will drift over time.  That is of course incorrect.
>
>> If you use a resistor with a tighter tolerance, say 10%
>> or even 5%, you're to begin with closer to the ohmage
>> you want so that a little drift won't matter as much.
>
> There was nothing in the OP's post indicating a 20% tolerant
> resistor was used.  In fact, it was likely a 5% resistor since
> that's what almost everyone uses.
>
>> This was my point I was trying to get across in the begin
>> with.
>
> No, Al.  That is not what you originally said.  If you had put it
> that way I'd have almost agreed except that I seriously doubt the
> resistor changed by 57%.
>
>> Thanks for letting me ramble on.
>
> Feel free to ramble at any time.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> Bass Burglar Alarms
> The Online DIY Store
> http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
>
> --
>
> Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large
> groups.


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