Re: Re: xPLHal hung on startup - but working!

["Frank Mc Alinden" <fmcalind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Bob

> I actually got my determinators to work.

Well Done !!!

>What I had to do was start
> everything manually and in the correct order.  I

Might be an idea to stick to this setup until your comfortable with xPL
...then have a go at starting it up automatically........
I take it now you can control your x10 kit ok ???
Good Luck
Frank



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gardner" <gardner.bob@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:54 AM
Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on startup - but working!


>
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> I actually got my determinators to work.  What I had to do was start
> everything manually and in the correct order.  I had to set the
> service to manual, and take xPLHvision out of the startup folder.
> Then I rebooted the PC, started the xPLHal service, and then started
> xPLHvision.  When I did everything in this order, things seemed to
> begin working correctly.  I guess the secret will be figuring out how
> to get the service to start cleanly withough hanging.
>
> I'll keep plugging away.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc Alinden"
<fmcalind@b...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Bob
> >             Just to be sure ...try and activate the  x10 device
from
> > Homevision x10 screen....
> > can you copy and paste into an email the commands that are
recorded
> in
> > xplmonitor whan you press a button on your rf remote 
please........
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Gardner" <gardner.bob@g...>
> > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:26 AM
> > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on startup
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Frank,
> > >
> > > Well I figured out the 5 seconds.  There is another config
item
> > > called lastsent that was set to 5.  I set it to 3 and the
confirm
> > > message was 3 seconds later.  I lalso tried 500 ms for the
dde
> config
> > > item but that still didn't get the message through to
> Homevision.  I
> > > also shut down ACE and that didn't seem to change anything.
> Still no
> > > Homevision activity.
> > >
> > > Any other ideas?
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc Alinden"
> <fmcalind@b...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Bob
> > > >
> > > > > 11/12/04 14:25:44
> > > > >
> > > > > xpl-trig
> > > > > {
> > > > > hop=1
> > > > > source=gshed-hvision.homecontro105634
> > > > > target=*
> > > > > }
> > > > > x10.confirm
> > > > > {
> > > > > command=ON
> > > > > device=F16
> > > > > name=Air Compressor
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this all look OK?
> > > >
> > > > Yes that looks ok...so it should have turned on the
> compressor ????
> > > only
> > > > issue is the 5 seconds...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ACE has a Homevision DDE monitor that I can open
and I never
> see
> > > any
> > > > > DDE messages form xPL.  Is there something else
that I might
> need
> > > to
> > > > > configure for the xPL DDE?
> > > >
> > > > Go back into xplmanager and click on xpl devices click
on xpl
> > > hvision and
> > > > have a look at the
> > > > ddespeed setting (not sure what the initial value is) i
have
> mine
> > > set to 500
> > > > and works ok....
> > > > If this doesnt speed things up i would suggest closing
the ace
> app
> > > and then
> > > > retry to see if that makes any difference...
> > > >
> > > > The only dde enabling is done in hv and i assume this
is already
> > > done if ace
> > > > is using dde
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bob Gardner" <gardner.bob@g...>
> > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:33 AM
> > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on startup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Frank,
> > > > >
> > > > > Still plugging away.  The second instance of
hvision is gone
> now
> > > and
> > > > > everything appears good.  Still get three messages
in the xPL
> > > monitor
> > > > > window when I press a button on the remote, but
still get no
> > > action
> > > > > from Homevision.  I thought it might help if I
copied the
> script
> > > from
> > > > > the hvision windows.  When I press the button I
see this in
> the RX
> > > > > window:
> > > > >
> > > > > 11/12/04 14:25:39
> > > > >
> > > > > xpl-cmnd
> > > > > {
> > > > > hop=1
> > > > > source=XPL-XPLHAL.HOMECONTROL1
> > > > > target=GSHED-HVISION.HOMECONTRO105634
> > > > > }
> > > > > x10.basic
> > > > > {
> > > > > command=on
> > > > > device=F16
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > The 5 seconds later I see this in both the TX and
RX window:
> > > > >
> > > > > 11/12/04 14:25:44
> > > > >
> > > > > xpl-trig
> > > > > {
> > > > > hop=1
> > > > > source=gshed-hvision.homecontro105634
> > > > > target=*
> > > > > }
> > > > > x10.confirm
> > > > > {
> > > > > command=ON
> > > > > device=F16
> > > > > name=Air Compressor
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this all look OK?
> > > > >
> > > > > ACE has a Homevision DDE monitor that I can open
and I never
> see
> > > any
> > > > > DDE messages form xPL.  Is there something else
that I might
> need
> > > to
> > > > > configure for the xPL DDE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc
Alinden"
> > > <fmcalind@b...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Bob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I figured out the plugin thing and
updated all of the
> plugins
> > > so
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the monitor would work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats good....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >When I press a button on an RF remote, I
> > > > > > > see a CMND type message to Homevision
and a TRIG message
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > > W800 and then about 5 seconds later I
see a TRIG message
> from
> > > > > > > Homevision.  The first two messages are
X10.BASIC and the
> > > third
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > is an X10.CONFIRM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats correct although the 5 seconds later is
too long this
> > > could
> > > > > be due to
> > > > > > having  two instances of xplhvision
running......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >One thing I see is that
> > > > > > > somehow I have managed to get two copies
of the HV plugin
> in
> > > the
> > > > > xPL
> > > > > > > devices.  Don't know if this is
contributing or not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the tray at the bottom there are xpl icons
,move the
> mouse
> > > over
> > > > > then to
> > > > > > see if there are two gshed-hvision,s...if so
right click on
> one
> > > and
> > > > > close it
> > > > > > .....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >so I get a
> > > > > > > dialog box that says Homevision isn't
running and I need
> to
> > > start
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep thats correct hv must be running first
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The next thing I need to figure out is
this message that
> the
> > > > > xPLHal
> > > > > > > service hung at startup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry  John / Tony will have to help
here........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also got some DS10A remote sensors and
they work
> great.  I
> > > look
> > > > > > > forward to Mal adding this capability at
some point they
> will
> > > be
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > helpful for remote wireless sensing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Im sure he will do his best to have the
update done in the
> very
> > > near
> > > > > > future...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Bob Gardner"
<gardner.bob@g...>
> > > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:24 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung on
startup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Frank,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for sticking with me - I'm really
close.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I figured out the plugin thing and
updated all of the
> plugins
> > > so
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the monitor would work.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do have my W800 and I can see the
commands in the
> monitor
> > > > > window.
> > > > > > > Following your directions to George, I
tried to add a few
> > > > > > > determinators.  I started with easy ones
that receive X10
> > > signals
> > > > > > > from the W800 and send X10 commands to
HV.  In the
> monitor,
> > > > > > > everything appears to work.  When I
press a button on an
> RF
> > > > > remote, I
> > > > > > > see a CMND type message to Homevision
and a TRIG message
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > > W800 and then about 5 seconds later I
see a TRIG message
> from
> > > > > > > Homevision.  The first two messages are
X10.BASIC and the
> > > third
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > is an X10.CONFIRM.  Unfortunately
Homevision never
> responds
> > > to the
> > > > > > > command and doesn't send an X10 signal. 
One thing I see
> is
> > > that
> > > > > > > somehow I have managed to get two copies
of the HV plugin
> in
> > > the
> > > > > xPL
> > > > > > > devices.  Don't know if this is
contributing or not.  I
> have
> > > > > tried to
> > > > > > > delete one but haven't figured out how
to do that - any
> > > > > suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to have this PC reboot and start
everything
> unattended
> > > for
> > > > > > > when we are not here - power glitches,
etc., so I tried to
> > > put the
> > > > > > > xPLHvision fle in the startup folder. 
This works but it
> > > seems to
> > > > > > > start up before Homevision which is in
the same folder so
> I
> > > get a
> > > > > > > dialog box that says Homevision isn't
running and I need
> to
> > > start
> > > > > > > it.  I think I can fix this by starting
xp\PLHvision from
> a
> > > macro
> > > > > > > that does some other configuration
things at startup.
> I'll
> > > try
> > > > > that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The next thing I need to figure out is
this message that
> the
> > > > > xPLHal
> > > > > > > service hung at startup.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also got some DS10A remote sensors and
they work
> great.  I
> > > look
> > > > > > > forward to Mal adding this capability at
some point they
> will
> > > be
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > helpful for remote wireless sensing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks again,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc
Alinden"
> > > > > <fmcalind@b...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Bob
> > > > > > > >             I will try and answer
some
> questions ,hopefully
> > > John
> > > > > > > will answer
> > > > > > > > the hard ones ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > xPLHAL issue John will have to
advise
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Now that this is done, do I
need to do anything with
> the
> > > > > > > > > xPLHvision.exe file like put
it into the startup
> folder
> > > or is
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > installed in xPLHal
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my setup i start it manually
everytime after the pc
> boots
> > > > > up.....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >However, when I
> > > > > > > > > select the monitor in xPLHal,
I get a message that the
> > > xpl-
> > > > > schema-
> > > > > > > > > collection.xml file is missing
and I must upgrade it
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > plugins
> > > > > > > > > folder.  What is this all
about?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You have installed the xplhvision
app and w800
> app...these
> > > > > plugin
> > > > > > > files have
> > > > > > > > information regarding the apps
...Having this info
> makes it
> > > nice
> > > > > > > and easy to
> > > > > > > > create Determinators...
> > > > > > > > In the mani screen of xPLHAL  click
on help , then
> plugin
> > > > > > > library..this will
> > > > > > > > bring up the  plugin  screen ,
select all and then
> OK.....a
> > > > > little
> > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > later it will say all the  plugins
are loaded.......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Once this is fixed, am I
correct
> > > > > > > > > that I should be able to at
least monitor the W800RF
> > > messages?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If all is ok yes you should see
messages from the
> > > w800...Have
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > received
> > > > > > > > your w800 ??
> > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Bob Gardner"
<gardner.bob@g...>
> > > > > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004
5:17 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPLHal hung
on startup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well I set the service to
Manual, rebooted, and then
> > > started
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > service.  It started fine -
took about 5 seconds and
> no
> > > > > errors.  I
> > > > > > > > > followed your recommendations,
opened xPLHal Manager
> and
> > > > > > > configured
> > > > > > > > > xPLHal and xPLHal showed up
under xPL Devices just as
> you
> > > > > said.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then I put the service back in
automatic and rebooted
> and
> > > had
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > same problem.  I get a dialog
box that says some
> service
> > > has
> > > > > > > failed
> > > > > > > > > to start and to review the
event viewer.  When I look
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > > viewer,
> > > > > > > > > it says that xPLHal service
has hung on startup.
> Although
> > > > > when I
> > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > into services it shows that
the service is running
> fine.
> > > I
> > > > > need
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > get Windows to stop thinking
the service has hung -
> any
> > > ideas?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since I got that far, I also
ran the xPLHvision.exe
> > > plugin and
> > > > > > > > > installed the W800RF plugin. 
The I went into xPLHal
> > > manager
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > configured them both so that
they now show up as xPL
> > > devices.
> > > > > > > > > Question - Now that this is
done, do I need to do
> anything
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > xPLHvision.exe file like put
it into the startup
> folder
> > > or is
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > installed in xPLHal and I
don't need to do anything
> else
> > > with
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So now I figure I should at
least be able to go into
> the
> > > > > monitor
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > see messages being sent from
the W800RF receiver.
> > > However,
> > > > > when I
> > > > > > > > > select the monitor in xPLHal,
I get a message that the
> > > xpl-
> > > > > schema-
> > > > > > > > > collection.xml file is missing
and I must upgrade it
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > plugins
> > > > > > > > > folder.  What is this all
about?  Once this is fixed,
> am I
> > > > > correct
> > > > > > > > > that I should be able to at
least monitor the W800RF
> > > messages?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Progress seems slow but there
is a lot to learn.
> Thanks
> > > for
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > help so far.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx,
"John B" <home-
> > > > > automation@j...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So far I have
installed the .NET framework, the
> DevCom
> > > > > > > > > installation
> > > > > > > > > > > package and xPLHal. 
The problem is that, when I
> > > boot, I
> > > > > get a
> > > > > > > > > > > message that a
service has not started.  When I
> look
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Event
> > > > > > > > > > > Viewer, the message
is that the xPLHal service
> hung
> > > during
> > > > > > > > > startup.
> > > > > > > > > > > When I look at
services it says that the xPLHal
> > > service is
> > > > > > > > > running.
> > > > > > > > > > > I also notice that
the computer mouse is very
> sluggish
> > > > > all of
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > sudden.  If I
disable the service and reboot
> > > everything is
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Try setting the service
startup type to "Manual" -
> this
> > > will
> > > > > > > > > prevent it from starting
automatically when Windows
> > > starts,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > should help to debug the
problem.
> > > > > > > > > > Then, reboot your
computer, and once it's rebooted,
> try
> > > > > starting
> > > > > > > > > the xPLHal service manually
(right-click on xPLHal in
> the
> > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > services and click Start).
> > > > > > > > > > See how long the service
takes to start - it
> shouldn't
> > > be
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > a few seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > (maybe 8-10 seconds max.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Once started (assuming it
does start with no
> errors),
> > > open
> > > > > up
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > xPLHal Manager (there should
be a link under your
> Start
> > > > > > > Menu/Programs
> > > > > > > > > for xPLHal Manager).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > When xPLHal Manager
starts up, click on xPL Devices
> and
> > > see
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > anything is listed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then expand the xPL
Devices node in the tree and
> click
> > > on
> > > > > > > Awaiting
> > > > > > > > > Configuration - again, see if
anything is listed.
> > > > > > > > > > If you see something like
XPL-XPLHAL.<your computer
> > > name>1
> > > > > > > listed
> > > > > > > > > under the awaiting
configuration node, double-click
> on it.
> > > > > > > > > > This will bring up it's
configuration screen.
> > > > > > > > > > Select
"newconf" from the list of configurable items
> > > > > (probably
> > > > > > > > > already selected by default)
and enter a name for your
> > > xPLHal
> > > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > > >  you may just want to use your
computer name.
> > > > > > > > > > Click OK to close the
config dialog.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, when you look under
the xPL Devices node, you
> > > should
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > xPLHal listed, along with the
new name that you've
> given
> > > it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let us know how you get
on with the above -
> hopefully
> > > we can
> > > > > > > > > pinpoint what the problem
could be depend on how much
> of
> > > the
> > > > > above
> > > > > > > > > works for you.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > John
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