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Dave,
I think the cloud requirement is only for the access via 3G, local wifi is
=
all "in house". I believe (although haven't tested) that any
schedules are =
stored on the actual plug itself and so are not reliant on any internet or
=
wifi access after they have been setup.
The Wemo's are just WiFi enabled devices so not mesh enabled like Z-Wave
un=
its. If you're WiFi is intermittent in that area then I'd guess you'd
just=
need a cheap wireless repeater something like this; http://www.amazon.co.u=
k/Huawei-WS320-Wi-Fi-Repeater/dp/B007SU0BJU
Having delved a bit deeper it seems that the WeMo uses standard
webservices=
and SOAP over HTTP to communicate so it should be easy enough to integrate=
into a wider home automation system ; http://www.objectpartners.com/2014/=
03/25/a-groovy-time-with-upnp-and-wemo/
Marcus
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 28 November 2014 10:41
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Belkin Wemo
Thanks Marcus,
That's a lot of good information there.
I'll have to get them delivered to my parents' home in the UK first as
Amaz=
on don't ship the lights to Indonesia and then get them shipped out here.
I=
can get the hub and the switch units but no the lamps. Price was =A329 fro=
m Amazon for the lamps.
The cloud is OK for when I am not at home but I don't like control systems
=
that rely on it fully as you then need a guaranteed connection for it to
wo=
rk. My Spark Core modules are a point in fact with this issue.
I think I might bite the bullet and order some up.
One question though is in the range. I have some Homepro Z-Wave units and
t=
hey are hit and miss a lot of the time in my bedroom. I have a unit
between=
them as they are supposed to route the signal but this seems to not quite =
work. I'd be interested to know if this is how the Wemo units work or do
th=
ey need a signal from the hub. That will be a big issue for me living in
an=
apartment block with the Faraday cage that I seem to be in. For instance, =
WiFi in the bedroom is very weak.
Cheers
Dave...
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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes...
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From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 27 November 2014 16:19
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Belkin Wemo
Funnily enough I just bought one from Amazon on a lightening deal for
=A323=
. It arrived yesterday and I've had a quick play with it last night. I
have=
it connected to my coffee machine with a rule setup to turn it on 45mins b=
efore I'm due to get up so that its fully warmed up by the time I'm
downsta=
irs and ready to make my morning flat white. I used to do this with a
simpl=
e timer plug but the WeMo should allow me to manually turn the machine
on/o=
ff from the bedroom for those days when my schedule deviates from the
norm.=
It seems to work very well at the moment, and much quicker than the X10 m=
odule I was playing with plus it has status updates (unlike the AD10 plug)
=
so if the machine is activated manually the app shows it turned on.
Anothe=
r nice feature is that it auto configures itself to work over wifi when in
=
the house and 3G when away from the network. The downside is that it's
obvi=
ously using a Belkin server "in the cloud" to achieve this
routing and ther=
e is no option to configure it to be totally under your control i.e. use
y=
our own server/fixed IP/ dyndns etc. I'd also like to be able to control
it=
via a simple http get/put so that I could more easily integrate into a lar=
ger automation system. I did find some info on hacking it but haven't had
a=
time to investigate further yet; http://hackaday.com/2013/02/23/wemo-witho=
ut-a-smartphone/
Next step will be to link it up google calendar to stop the machine
turning=
on for days that I'm away from home (Holiday, business etc). I was looking=
at IFTTT but I've not had time to investigate too much yet. Another thoug=
ht is to use TASKER (Android) and have it simply work off my phones alarm
w=
hen I'm at home based on it's Geo location or connection to my home wifi.
At the rrp of =A350 I think they are probably too expensive but if you can
=
snag one for around =A323 their great.
Marcus
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dave,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> =
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
think th=
e cloud requirement is only for the access via 3G, local wifi is all
“=
;in house”. I believe (although haven’t tested) that
any schedules are stored on the actual plug itself and so are not reliant =
on any internet or wifi access after they have been
setup.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> =
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
Wemo&#=
8217;s are just WiFi enabled devices so not mesh enabled like Z-Wave
units.=
If you’re WiFi is intermittent in that area then
I’d
guess you’d just need a cheap wireless repeater something like
this;=
<a href=3D"http://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-WS320-Wi-Fi-Repeater/dp/B007SU0B=
JU">
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-WS320-Wi-Fi-Repeater/dp/B007SU0BJU</a><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> =
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Having
del=
ved a bit deeper it seems that the WeMo uses standard webservices and SOAP
=
over HTTP to communicate so it should be easy
enough to integrate into a wider home automation system ; <a
href=3D=
"http://www.objectpartners.com/2014/03/25/a-groovy-time-with-upnp-and-wemo/=
">http://www.objectpartners.com/2014/03/25/a-groovy-time-with-upnp-and-wemo=
/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> =
;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Arial",sans-serif;color:#548DD4">Marcus
</span></b><i><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,sans-serif;color:#548DD4"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span
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nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
lang=3D"EN-=
US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
=
ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 November 2014 10:41<br>
<b>To:</b> ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] Belkin
Wemo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Thank=
s Marcus,</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">That's a
lot of good information =
there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">I'll have
to get them delivered t=
o my parents' home in the UK first as Amazon don't ship the lights to
Indon=
esia and then get them shipped out here.
I can get the hub and the switch units but no the lamps. Price was =A329 f=
rom Amazon for the lamps.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">The cloud
is OK for when I am not=
at home but I don't like control systems that rely on it fully as you then=
need a guaranteed connection for it to
work. My Spark Core modules are a point in fact with this issue.
</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">I think I
might bite the bullet a=
nd order some up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">One
question though is in the ran=
ge. I have some Homepro Z-Wave units and they are hit and miss a lot of
the=
time in my bedroom. I have a unit between
them as they are supposed to route the signal but this seems to not quite =
work. I'd be interested to know if this is how the Wemo units work or do
th=
ey need a signal from the hub. That will be a big issue for me living in
an=
apartment block with the Faraday
cage that I seem to be in. For instance, WiFi in the bedroom is very weak.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Dave…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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now beam down my
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<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> 27 November 2014 16:19<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] Belkin
Wemo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Funnily enough I ju=
st bought one from Amazon on a lightening deal for =A323. It arrived
yester=
day and I’ve had a quick play with it last
night. I have it connected to my coffee machine with a rule setup to turn =
it on 45mins before I’m due to get up so that its fully warmed up
by =
the time I’m downstairs and ready to make my morning flat white.
I us=
ed to do this with a simple timer plug but the
WeMo should allow me to manually turn the machine on/off from the bedroom =
for those days when my schedule deviates from the norm. It seems
to w=
ork very well at the moment, and much quicker than the X10 module I was
pla=
ying with plus it has status updates
(unlike the AD10 plug) so if the machine is activated manually the app sho=
ws it turned on. Another nice feature is that it auto configures
itse=
lf to work over wifi when in the house and 3G when away from the network.
T=
he downside is that it’s obviously using
a Belkin server “in the cloud” to achieve this routing
and the=
re is no option to configure it to be totally under your control
i.e.=
use your own server/fixed IP/ dyndns etc. I’d also like to be
able t=
o control it via a simple http get/put so that I could
more easily integrate into a larger automation system. I did find some inf=
o on hacking it but haven’t had a time to investigate further
yet;
<a href=3D"http://hackaday.com/2013/02/23/wemo-without-a-smartphone/";>http:=
//hackaday.com/2013/02/23/wemo-without-a-smartphone/</a></span><o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Next step will be t=
o link it up google calendar to stop the machine turning on for days that
I=
’m away from home (Holiday, business etc).
I was looking at IFTTT but I’ve not had time to investigate too
much=
yet. Another thought is to use TASKER (Android) and have it
simply w=
ork off my phones alarm when I’m at home based on it’s
Geo loca=
tion or connection to my home
wifi.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">At the rrp of =A350=
I think they are probably too expensive but if you can snag one for around=
=A323 their great.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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