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Thanks Neil. That is useful to know. I did find a few Helvar products
avail=
able for retail.
There seems to be a big price gap between the cheap (=C2=A325-=C2=A350)
bal=
lasts available on eBay to an Osram USB adaptor that costs =C2=A3310.
I guess the target market is offices at the moment but it seems like a
nice=
protocol and flexible system.
Sent from my phone
> On 26 Nov 2014, at 11:47, "'Neil Ball' neilball@xxxxxxx
[ukha_d]"=
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>=20
> For Dali control you should look at Helvar =E2=80=93 they are one of
the =
major Dali manufacturers of both ballasts and lighting controls and are
bas=
ed in Dartford. Their Digidim system is popular for both residential and
co=
mmercial Dali installations, although it is supplied via dealers rather
tha=
n sold as kit for DIY installation/configuration.
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> You can use the system as a basic Dali setup (so limits on the number
of =
Dali devices used) without any central processor, and use the Helvar
toolbo=
x software to configure the room-groups (to allocate the load controls and
=
switches to rooms) and then the scene levels for those rooms. For larger
sy=
stems or where you want more sophisticated levels of control then you add
o=
ne of their =E2=80=9Crouters=E2=80=9D which can join together several Dali
=
networks into a single control installation (plus adds additional features
=
like astronomical control, remote management/access etc).
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> With Dali ballasts/transformers you only need to add the Dali
switches/ke=
ypads to the Dali network. If the devices have physical address switches
th=
en it can be possible to create simple control arrangements without any
add=
itional programing tools =E2=80=93 simply setting the load controller and
s=
witch to the same Dali address would normally give you basic on/off
control=
, or having a switch set to =E2=80=9Cbroadcast=E2=80=9D mode would make it
=
control any load devices to which it is physically connected. However to
cr=
eate scene control using multi-button keypads etc you would normally need
c=
ompatible software tools and a programming cable (for example Helvar have
a=
n RS232-Dali cable).
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> Other lighting control manufacturers have gateways that allow Dali
device=
s to be added to their own network, so that gives another possible
approach=
if you want to use Dali devices.
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>=20=20
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> Neil B.
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>=20=20
>=20
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: 25 November 2014 15:18
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [Bulk] [ukha_d] DALI - Digital Addressable Lighting Interface
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>=20=20
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> [sorry if you get this twice, my first email doesn't seem to have gone
th=
rough]
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> Hello,
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> Is anyone using DALI for small-scale home automations projects? There
see=
m to be lots of reasonably priced ballasts out there but can't find any
swi=
tches/controllers? Any recommended suppliers?
>=20=20
>=20=20
> Thanks!
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> nick.
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<div>Thanks Neil. That is useful to know. I did find a few Helvar
products =
available for
retail.</div><div><br></div><div>There seems
to be a big pric=
e gap between the cheap (=C2=A325-=C2=A350) ballasts available on eBay to
a=
n Osram USB adaptor that costs =C2=A3310.<br><br>I guess the
target market =
is offices at the moment but it seems like a nice protocol and flexible
sys=
tem.<br><br>Sent from my
phone</div><div><br></div><div><br>On
26 Nov 2014,=
at 11:47, "'Neil Ball' <a href=3D"mailto:neilball@xxxxxxx";>neilbal=
l@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d]" <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
m">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div>
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<p></p><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">For Dali control you
should look at He=
lvar =E2=80=93 they are one of the major Dali manufacturers of both
ballast=
s and lighting controls and are based in Dartford. Their Digidim system is
=
popular for both residential and commercial Dali installations, although
it=
is supplied via dealers rather than sold as kit for DIY installation/confi=
guration.<o></o></span></p><p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p><p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">You can use the
system as a basi=
c Dali setup (so limits on the number of Dali devices used) without any
cen=
tral processor, and use the Helvar toolbox software to configure the
room-g=
roups (to allocate the load controls and switches to rooms) and then the
sc=
ene levels for those rooms. For larger systems or where you want more
sophi=
sticated levels of control then you add one of their
=E2=80=9Crouters=E2=80=
=9D which can join together several Dali networks into a single control
ins=
tallation (plus adds additional features like astronomical control, remote
=
management/access etc).<o></o></span></p><p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p><p
class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">With Dali ballasts=
/transformers you only need to add the Dali switches/keypads to the Dali
ne=
twork. If the devices have physical address switches then it can be
possibl=
e to create simple control arrangements without any additional programing
t=
ools =E2=80=93 simply setting the load controller and switch to the same
Da=
li address would normally give you basic on/off control, or having a
switch=
set to =E2=80=9Cbroadcast=E2=80=9D mode would make it control any load dev=
ices to which it is physically connected. However to create scene control
u=
sing multi-button keypads etc you would normally need compatible software
t=
ools and a programming cable (for example Helvar have an RS232-Dali
cable).=
<o></o></span></p><p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;co=
lor:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p><p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Other lighting control
manufacturers have=
gateways that allow Dali devices to be added to their own network, so that=
gives another possible approach if you want to use Dali
devices.<o></o></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497=
D;"><o> </o></span></p><p
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B.<o></o></span></p><p
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m:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> <a href=3D"m=
ailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a
href=3D"mailto=
:ukha_d@xxxxxxx">mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b=
> 25 November 2014 15:18<br><b>To:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogroups=
.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
[Bulk] [ukha_d] DALI - =
Digital Addressable Lighting
Interface<o></o></span></p></div></div><p
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s=3D"MsoNormal"><o> </o></p><p
class=3D"MsoNormal">
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div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg"><div
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id=3D"ygrp-text"><pre><span=
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;">[sorry if you get this twice, my
first email do=
esn't seem to have gone
through]<o></o></span></pre><pre><span
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t-size:9.0pt;"><o> </o></span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0p=
t;">Hello,<o></o></span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;"><o>&nbs=
p;</o></span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;">Is anyone using DA=
LI for small-scale home automations projects? There seem to be lots of
reas=
onably priced ballasts out there but can't find any switches/controllers?
A=
ny recommended
suppliers?<o></o></span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;"><o> </o></span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;"><o>=
</o></span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;">Thanks!<o></o>=
</span></pre><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;"><o> </o></span></pr=
e><pre><span
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;">nick.<o></o></span></pre><div><p
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