RE: Comfort Design Question

["Mike Griffiths" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Ben
100% correct
I have never found a problem with stranded cable in the krones as long
as you only use one cable and don't try and put 2 in the same slot
Not ideal but i haven't found a better solution
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ben McCormack
Sent: 05 June 2008 08:55
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question

Mike

I have been thinking about this idea further and it all makes sense
apart from one part.

As far as I know Alarm Cable is stranded and connects well to screw-
down connections on PIRS etc.
Krone works best on solid cable.

How have you got around this?

Regards
Ben

On 30 May 2008, at 23:14, Mike Griffiths wrote:

> To follow up
> All inputs and outputs I term to standard Krone blocks
> In a perfect world I then ( and have done ) term all feeds from PIR's
> etc to another set of Krones and then cross patch them
>
> That was the proper way to do it ( and Clive Haycock will probably say
> the only way to do it!)
>
> But really the incoming cables PIR's etc can be left long enough to
> reach any of the Comfort in and out Krones
>
> To finish off the job you should make the Krone housing tamperproof
> BUT I think if a burglar has got to my krone blocks and worked out
> which
> is which then the Gold and Silver is well gone
> Hope this makes sense
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Ben McCormack
> Sent: 30 May 2008 12:15
> To: UKHA Mailinglist
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question
>
> Mike
>
> When you speak of krone blocks I assume you mean these?
>
> http://www.repsole.com/Product.asp?PID=976
>
> So are you suggestion the following
>
> 1 Terminate all Comfort Main Panel inputs and outputs on a set of
> krone blocks
> 2 terminate all of the incoming wires on a set of krone blocks - ie
> PIR, Magnetic contacts etc
> 3. Patch between the 2 sets of Krone Blocks
>
> Regards
> Ben
>
> On 30 May 2008, at 11:11, Mike Griffiths wrote:
>
> > Also Ben I would really consider bringing all the inputs and
outputs
> > and
> > control out to a Set of 10 Krone blocks - you can get krone
blocks
> > that
> > are all connected so this makes KA / KB control and the 0 v and
12 v
> > easily distributable and having all the ins and outs on krones
make
> > adding to the system very easy, it also aides fault finding and
> > shutting
> > off the siren when working on the system ;-)
> > It can get very tight inside the unit to add cables at a later
date
> > especially if you follow the recommendation to use screened cable
> for
> > the control to the keypads and slaves
> > Personally I would never recommend a LEM 03 unless you know the
> system
> > would never expand.
> > The slaves really come into their own if you have a separate area
> > like a
> > garage - Comfort works a treat for automating lights and garage
> doors
> > and is far more secure than using C-bus - one screened cat 5 and
you
> > can
> > do all sorts of clever things in the garage with a slave unit
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of Ben McCormack
> > Sent: 30 May 2008 10:31
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > I really need more inputs rather than outputs.
> >
> > So I would like to use the 16 input board (LEM03) but from what I
> can
> > see when I use that board I cannot add any slave expansion boards
> at a
> > later date.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On 30 May 2008, at 10:21, Paul Gordon wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ben.
> > >
> > > You may well be able to fit all that in a single panel, -
but it
> > will
> > > possibly be a squeeze, depending how you plan/arrange it.
> > >
> > > Many of the modules can be "stacked" on top of
each other in the
> > same
> > > mounting position within the case by using long standoff
pillars,
> > this
> > > helps a lot, but can also be a hindrance in terms of access
to
> > > obscured
> > > terminals, so it's certainly worthwhile thinking about what
boards
> > > you're likely to need access to after fitting.
> > >
> > > I'll try to take a picture of the layout of my panel
tomorrow, but
> > > from
> > > memory I have the following all within the main panel:
> > >
> > > Ultra II mainboard
> > > LEM01-G2 local expansion module
> > > ADM01 Aux distribution module
> > > LSM01 Light sensor module
> > > UCM05
> > > Ringer module
> > > RLY01 Relay board (4 relays)
> > > Battery
> > >
> > > If you want the zone expansion, you can either use a SEM
(slave
> > > expansion) or a LEM (Local expansion) module. The design of
the
> > LEM is
> > > such that it mounts on top of the mainboard & connects
via a
> ribbon
> > > cable. The Ringer module also mounts on top of the
mainboard.
> > >
> > > A SEP is a complete additional panel with another power
supply,
> > > another
> > > "mainboard" - but not a full comfort mainboard
obviously, - it's a
> > cut
> > > down version; - a SEM, which is designed to be mounted
remotely
> from
> > > the
> > > main panel, and connects back to it via a standard alarm
cable (I
> > > believe)... I don't have any form of Slave expansion in my
system,
> > > so I
> > > may be a little off in my understanding of how the slaves
work,
> > > because
> > > as you say, it is a little confusing!
> > >
> > > With both LEM's & SEM's beware that I believe there are
several
> > > flavours
> > > of each, - AIUI all of them have 16 "ports" - but
some of them are
> > > split
> > > as 8 inputs & 8 outputs, whereas others are all 16
inputs. - If
> you
> > > have
> > > no requirement for additional output ports, them maybe you'd
> > prefer to
> > > opt for the 16 input versions which would give you 24 inputs
& 8
> > > outputs...
> > >
> > > HTH.
> > >
> > > Paul G.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:55
> > > To: UKHA Group
> > > Subject: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I am just about to place an order for my Comfort system.
> > >
> > > The plan is to install Comfort in a central location and run
all
> > > wiring back to this point and I am looking to purchase the
> following
> > >
> > > Comfort Gen 2 Untra II Panel
> > > Backup Battery
> > > KP04 Main Keypad
> > > Door Phone
> > > Phone Protection Board
> > > CBUS Interface
> > > Ethernet Module - UCM01/ETH
> > >
> > > Now what is not obvious to me is how all the part physically
fit
> > > together. Can all the above be located in the Main Panel?
> > >
> > > Now thinking about zones
> > >
> > > Initially I will need about 10 zones but this may increase
over
> time
> > > if I put magnetic sensors on each window. So I will need to
add
> > extra
> > > zones.
> > >
> > > So what is the best way of doing this.
> > >
> > > Do I go for a Slave Expansion Panel? Or Unibox?
> > >
> > > I am confused about this, can anyone help?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Ben
> > >
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