Re: Pandora :-(

["Ho Yin Ng" <architect.hoyin@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes I got it as well.

Anyway we can get around it?

Ho Yin

On 08/01/2008, Mark McCall <lists@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   Thanks Tim
>
> M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> ukha_d@xxxxxxx <ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> Tim Hawes
> Sent: 08 January 2008 08:22
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Pandora :-(
>
> Not at all :-)
> I did look to see if it was on Pandora's site as well, but couldn't
seem
> to
> find it. I'll send you the original version off list as that might
display
> better (logos etc.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim.
>
> On 1/8/08, Mark McCall
<lists@xxxxxxx<lists%40automatedhome.co.uk>>
> wrote:
> > Tim
> >
> > Do you mind if I post a copy of that email to AH ?
> >
> > M.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> ukha_d@xxxxxxx <ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > Of Tim
> > Sent: 07 January 2008 23:27
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Pandora :-(
> >
> > Anyone else get this email from Pandora?
> >
> > :-(
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Quote:
> >
> > This is an email I hoped I would never have to send.
> >
> > As you probably know, in July of 2007 we had to block usage of
Pandora
> > outside the U.S. because of the lack of a viable license
structure for
> > Internet radio streaming in other countries. It was a terrible
day. We
> > did however hold out some hope that a solution might exist for
the UK,
> > so we left it unblocked as we worked diligently with the rights
> > organizations to negotiate an economically workable license fee.
After
> > over a year of trying, this has proved impossible. Both the PPL
(which
> > represents the record
> > labels) and the MCPS/PRS Alliance (which represents music
publishers)
> > have demanded per track performance minima rates which are far
too
> > high to allow ad supported radio to operate and so, hugely
> > disappointing and depressing to us as it is, we have to block the
last
> territory outside of the US.
> >
> > Based upon the IP address from which you recently visited
Pandora, it
> > appears that you are listening from the UK. If you are, in fact,
> > listening from the US, please contact Pandora Support:
> pandora-support@xxxxxxx <pandora-support%40pandora.com>.
> >
> > It continues to astound me and the rest of the team here that the
> > industry is not working more constructively to support the growth
of
> > services that introduce listeners to new music and that are
totally
> > supportive of paying fair royalties to the creators of music. I
don't
> > often say such things, but the course being charted by the labels
and
> > publishers and their representative organizations is nothing
short of
> > disastrous for artists whom they purport to represent - and by
that I
> > mean both well known and indie artists. The only consequence of
> > failing to support companies like Pandora that are attempting to
build
> > a sustainable radio business for the future will be the continued
> > explosion of piracy, the continued constriction of opportunities
for
> > working musicians, and a worsening drought of new music for fans.
As a
> former working musician myself, I find it very troubling.
> >
> > We have been told to sign these totally unworkable license rates
or
> > switch off, non-negotiable...so that is what we are doing.
Streaming
> > illegally is just not in our DNA, and we have to take the threats
of
> > legal action seriously. Lest you think this is solely an
international
> > problem, you should know that we are also fighting for our
survival
> > here in the US, in the face of a crushing increase in web radio
> > royalty rates, which if left unchanged, would mean the end of
Pandora.
> >
> > We know what an epicenter of musical creativity and fan support
the UK
> > has always been, which makes the prospect of not being able to
launch
> > there and having to block our first listeners all the more
upsetting for
> us.
> >
> > We know there is a lot of support from listeners and artists in
the UK
> > for Pandora and remain hopeful that at some point we'll get
beyond
> > this. We're going to keep fighting for a fair and workable rate
> > structure that will allow us to bring Pandora back to you. We'll
be
> > sure to let you know if Pandora becomes available in the UK.
There may
> > well come a day when we need to make a direct appeal for your
support
> > to move for governmental intervention as we have in the US. In
the
> > meantime, we have no choice but to turn off service to the UK.
> >
> > Pandora will stop streaming to the UK as of January 15th, 2008.
> >
> > Again, on behalf of all of us at Pandora, I'm very, very sorry.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Tim Westergren
> > (Pandora founder)
> >
> > End quote
> >
> >
> >
> >
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