Re: Smart Fridge was MCE Washing Machine

[Chris Hunter <cjhunter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It does sometimes work the other way round, though ... I guess we can
see the point of HA, but do our other halves ?   In the early days of
most things, the costs in time & money really don't justify the
benefits, for normal people, only for enthusiasts ... only much later,
does everyone wonder what they did without it ...

Chris



Mal Lansell wrote:

>The real issue is that these ideas are "solutions in search of a
>problem", which is completely the wrong way to go about things. 
I've
>got a horrible feeling that this is a movie quote, but the trick is to
>identify a need and then fulfill that need.
>
>What problem is an auto-ordering fridge is trying to solve?  That you
>may forget to buy the right things when you go shopping?  If that's the
>case, how about an intranet version of an online grocery store - you
add
>things to it when you realise you need them -perhaps via a touchscreen
>in the kitchen, and if you print it out before you go to the store you
>won't forget to pick everything up.  You could even have a feature to
>add recipes, so that everything required for a meal is on the shopping
list.
>
>Anything that tries to be more clever than that is doomed to fail.
>
>Mal
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>kwatt@xxxxxxx wrote:
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>>Exactly Mal and, the first time that it happens or so the customer
will
>>complain, of course blaming the machine as of course they could
never
>>be at
>>fault could they?
>>
>>The problem here is that we're all pretty tolerant of technology
and
>>highly
>>likely to analyse the problem, then fix it or work around it. Joe
>>Blogs just
>>isn't.
>>
>>K.
>>
>>From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx
<mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>]
On
>>Behalf Of
>>Mal Lansell
>>Sent: 25 November 2006 20:54
>>To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d%40yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Smart Fridge was MCE Washing Machine
>>
>>Even that isn't going to work unless the fridge knows what you want
for
>>dinner tonight. There's plenty of short-life stuff that I don't
replace
>>as soon as I use - I wait until I actually need it, otherwise it
will
>>end up being thrown out.
>>
>>The whole auto-ordering thing is fine for factories, but not for
people.
>>
>>Mal
>>
>>Lehane Kellett wrote:
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>>>The problem isn't just manufacturers, its a whole long
chain....
>>>
>>>Take the smart fridge.
>>>
>>>The nirvana would be one (or a system) that knows what is in
there and
>>>when it expires, where to order it from, what the alternatives
are and
>>>whether it was a one off.
>>>
>>>As you say, that really needs item level RFID on pretty much
every item
>>>- not coming anytime soon for most of the items in the fridge
for a host
>>>of reasons.
>>>But even if the manufacturers tag them, the chances are the
consumer
>>>lobbies are going to ensure they are de-activated when you
leave the
>>>store, just in case....
>>>And anyway the tag won't have an expiry date on it, just a
code, so
>>>you'll have to go online to some enormous database/webservice
provided
>>>by...who?
>>>As for an alternate brand, well that referral service will have
to be
>>>paid for (probably by another manufacturer/supplier) so it is
hardly
>>>going to be independent.
>>>
>>>So, depressing as it is, many solutions which are feasible
aren't going
>>>to happen at a pace we'd all like, if ever.
>>>
>>>Lehane
>>>
>>>Ian Lowe wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can easily see the point of a smart fridge, but not a
washing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>machine or
>>>
>>>
>>>>drier (at least, not in that sense).
>>>>
>>>>When we start seeing large scale rollout of RFID tags per
product,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>rather
>>>
>>>
>>>>than per pallet, you could imagine having a smart washing
machine that
>>>>(for
>>>>instance) alerts you if you have a sensitive item in a hot
wash,
>>>>
>>>>
>>or that
>>
>>
>>>>automatically picks the right program for a given load of
washing. you
>>>>could
>>>>see having the right amount of detergent or softener
dispensed from a
>>>>reservoir, rather than having to put in the right amount
for each
>>>>
>>>>
>>wash.
>>
>>
>>>>For a fridge, the thought of the fridge knowing exactly
what is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>inside it,
>>>
>>>
>>>>expiry dates (because it knows when the item first
appeared) and
>>>>
>>>>
>>so on,
>>
>>
>>>>smart re-ordering etc.
>>>>
>>>>It's frustrating when there are so many ways in which this
stuff
>>>>
>>>>
>>*could*
>>
>>
>>>>work, and the manufacturers just don't seem to "get
it".
>>>>
>>>>Ian.
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