RE: was: Re: Idratek - Serious Contender? Now: Alternative to clipsal switches in C-Bus Install

["Nigel Giddings" <nigel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Lehane,

Very impressive setup, I had considered DMX as lighting control but never
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aving used it I didn't feel 'comfortable'. One issue was that without a
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stant feed of data the lights would 'go off?'. Sounds as if you have got
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und this one...

Glad to see I am not the only one who likes to do drawings...

I will be using the Netiom for control of my UFH (11 Zones) but will
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ly stick with the Midon Temp08 for temperature measurement (Dallas 1 wire)
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with intelligence provided by Homeseer. I too had planned for a mechanical
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over-ride using a hall located electromechanical thermostat.

Keep us posted...

Nigel

-----Original Message-----
From: Lehane Kellett [mailto:lehane@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 01 February 2006 16:33
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] was: Re: Idratek - Serious Contender? Now:
Alternativ=
e to clipsal switches in C-Bus Install

Using Netiom's (4 in fact) is part of the solution I'm currently putting=20
together for our new build. They are extremely versatile and the tests=20
so far using Cat5e shows you can drive the inputs over quite long=20
lengths. Not only are they being used for lighting (as inputs - DMX is=20
the output) but they also control the bathroom fans, the heating=20
actuators (one per room on manifold) and other bits and pieces.

Pics of how two of them are in use are at=20
http://honeycottage.mm-wave.com/node1.htm

Lehane


Nigel Giddings wrote:
> Kevin,
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> It's my understanding that the AUX units can also provide the scene
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ers, dim, etc... I agree I will be losing the indicators which is a
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e downside.
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> The reason for using the C-Bus Aux units is that they are 'Clipsal'
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> I have used the VIOM before and I am very impressed, not tried the
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yet but it is high on my list of adaptable solutions, I have it in mind fo=
r the gate at the end of the drive. By using a NETIOM (and a PC) the
lighti=
ng system would become a little too non standard.
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> I would be interested in using the solution you suggest 'on top of'
the C=
-Bus system to add additional intelligence. That is to say 'nice to have'
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eatures rather than 'must have'. By that I mean light switches need to be
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9.99% reliable, adding a PC to the mix could reduce this figure somewhat...
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> Regards
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> Nigel
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Hawkins [mailto:lists@xxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: 01 February 2006 14:08
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] was: Re: Idratek - Serious Contender? Now:
Alternat=
ive to clipsal switches in C-Bus Install
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>
> Nigel Giddings wrote:
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>> The main driver for this is cost, secondly, as much as I like the
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l C-Bus switches they are only switches ...
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> Actually they are quite a bit more in practice. Aside from simple
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> they can easily be set up for many actions including dimming,
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> timers, scene triggers etc, and they have multi state feedback=20
> indicators.  Some switches have IR receivers too.  Most importantly=20
> depending on the model of switch they can also store and manage
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> discrepancies it comes across (for example 2 switches think a light
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> ON but another switch and a dimmer thinks it's OFF, perhaps caused by
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> glitch, or a network interruption).  There is an involved
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> system that will resolve such inconsistencies that C-Bus switches=20
> participate in.  Also although it is fairly simple to send a
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> to Level YY" onto C-Bus say via the PCI - something on C-Bus has
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> maintain the group level and report it periodically , you can't
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> 'phantom' groups on C-Bus that are maintained like true C-Bus
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> hardware device has to have the group defined.
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> One of the things I am doing is using xAP to control C-Bus - hence
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> switch that can generate a xAP command can control a C-Bus load. 
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> xAP Netiom for example has 16 inputs (which are debounced) and thus
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> http://www.phaedrusltd.com/pages/html/netiom-xap.html
> What I don't know just yet is how immune these are to long distance
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> to get dimming working based on momentary actions and how to map xAP
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> C-Bus groups but all achievable (currently needs a PC application
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> Kevin
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