Re: OT question.

["keyvan2r" <keyvan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think if you had faster cpu (say Celeron or even PIII) then I=20
would be interested at =A3500 to =A3600 range. Not sure who XP would=20
fair on a PII device
What would be resolution of the display?
I presume network and other i/o ports would be included?
With a bit of DIY and a =A3110 12" 800x600 display from ebay and
some=20
Celeron based board, one could build one for around =A3350. It=20
wouldn't have the "nice & thin" factor and that must be worth
paying=20
extra for.
I think more detailed spec and some idea of how it would look might=20
help to make a better judgement on price.

Keyvan
--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Tawn, Jonathan"
<jonathan.tawn@j...>=20
wrote:
> Chaps,
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> I've posted elsewhere, but would like your opinions if you would,
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> Some of you may know i'm on about putting together a touch-screen,=20
wall
> mountable pc-esq device. the the design is very aesthetically=20
pleasing,
> looking like a normal picture frame, and not much thicker (2.5cm)
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> the hardware i can currently obtain is around the PII-300, 128mb,=20
802.11g,
> and 1gb microdrive. (ahh, nice and quiet!) and a 12.1" screen=20
(touch)
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> i currently dont have any pictures of the proto-type as i'm=20
awaiting the
> touch-screen to arrive. (then the joys of making it all work!)
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> anyway, the point of my post. how much would you pay?
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> i'm also trying to obtain faster hardware but 'supplier=20
negotiations' arent
> going too well atm ;o(
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> any views, thoughts, opinions.
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> rgds.
> JT
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> Jonathan Tawn
> EDS Desktop Services.
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> 		-----Original Message-----
> 		From:	Neil Ball [mailto:neilball@b...]
> 		Sent:	Thursday, 11 March, 2004 16:11
> 		To:	ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> 		Subject:	RE: [ukha_d] C-BUS vs. EIB
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> 		Hi Tim
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> 		I think you're confusing EIB with the Siemens=20
product range.
> Unlike C-Bus
> 		which is Clipsal's proprietary network protocol, EIB=20
is an
> open standard
> 		that while developed by Siemens is licensed to other
> companies e.g. you can
> 		buy a complete EIB control system from ABB and=20
others - this
> is manufacturer
> 		used by the chap on Grand Designs who was shown=20
earlier in
> the series - The
> 		Return to Cloud 8.
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> 		It may well be that the Siemens EIB implementation=20
adds
> private extensions
> 		to the public protocol thereby preventing full
> interoperability with other
> 		systems and preventing 3rd party software tools from=20
being
> used. This is
> 		mostly the case with other open standards within the
> controls industry e.g.
> 		Lonworks.
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> 		You are correct over the commissioning issues -=20
Siemens only
> sell the
> 		software tools and training to approved integrators=20
which
> are still pretty
> 		thin on the ground at the moment. Then again, in=20
some areas
> this is no bad
> 		thing. How many would be able to develop and write=20
suitable
> HVAC control
> 		strategies for heating & cooling plant and be able to
> include all of the
> 		necessary safety interlocks, multi-stage frost=20
protection
> etc that these
> 		more complex control systems offer. Most of these=20
systems
> only offer
> 		programmable I/O which requires someone to design,=20
write and
> test the code,
> 		which is why the manufacturers only use approved=20
integrators
> most of the
> 		time. Mind you in the case of Siemens I cannot=20
comment on
> how much HVAC
> 		knowledge their integrators actually have.
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> 		If you do not need to use analogue sensors or control
> equipment and only
> 		need a digital control system (i.e. VFC in/ relay=20
out) then
> take a look at
> 		the Square-D system. It is much more basic, but the
> interactive training
> 		course can be found from their web site. They seem=20
to be
> trying to recruit
> 		electrical contractors to do the=20
install/commissioning so
> I'm sure they will
> 		also sell direct to suitably qualified end users as=20
well.
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> 		Neil B.
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> 		-----Original Message-----
> 		From: Hawes,Timothy Edward (GEG)
> [mailto:haweste@a...]=20
> 		Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:45
> 		To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> 		Subject: RE: [ukha_d] C-BUS vs. EIB
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> 		> -----Original Message-----
> 		> From: Mark Kaye  Sent: 11 March 2004 11:26
> 		>=20
> 		> I'm just trying to throw the pros and cons of=20
these two=20
> 		> together and see
> 		> what comes out of the mix.  Bearing in mind I'd=20
like to
> combine these
> 		> with Comfort and try to avoid X10 if possible,=20
does anyone
> have any
> 		> opinions on the two standards?  Any help or views=20
would be
> much
> 		> appreciated.
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> 		Mark,
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> 		One big difference between the two systems is that=20
one *is*
> DIY-able and one
> 		isn't. At present in the UK, EIB can only be=20
installed(1) by
> one of only
> 		three "Partner" companies. This may change in the=20
future,
> but that's the
> 		current situation.=20
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> 		Note 1: AIUI you can do all of the first fix work=20
yourself
> (pulling cables)
> 		etc, but one of the Partner Co's has to come and=20
connect &
> commission for
> 		you.=20
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> 		With C-Bus, OTOH, you can pay about 400 quid or so,=20
take a
> course and then
> 		walk away with about 400 quid's worth of hardware to=20
start
> you off.
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> 		From a technical standpoint and without having=20
personal
> experience of
> 		either, I'd say that you could do pretty much=20
anything you
> would want with
> 		either system.=20
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> 		Tossing another supplier into the ring - have you=20
looked at
> Polaron ?
> 		http://www.polaron-group.co.uk/controls/
then click=20
on
> "Polaron Building
> 		Systems". This is also a very competent system, and=20
one that
> can integrate
> 		with the QED whole house audio products, right down=20
to using
> common
> 		faceplates.
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> 		HTH,
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> 		Tim.
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