Re: New Regs to kill DIY HA?

["Frank Mc Alinden" <fmcalind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Dean

> And even odder, there's no sign of stopping....

Make hay while the sun shines ;-))

Frank



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Barrett" <dean@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] New Regs to kill DIY HA?


>
> Sounds like a good idea to me.
>
> For some strange reason the housing market is going crazy at the
moment,
we
> took on 8 new guys in the last two weeks, and have completed for Xmas
> occupation 180 houses during December alone !!
>
> And even odder, there's no sign of stopping....
>
>
>
> Dean.
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: ben addsion [mailto:ben@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 19 December 2004 03:58
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] New Regs to kill DIY HA?
>
>
>
>
>
> Or you can all get me round :)
>
> Ben Addison
> Electrical Contractors
> 01924 430767  07889845712
>
> Perhaps i should consider training one of my guys in HA, then i can
send
it
> out to everyones house to certify their work :)
>
> A few are familiar with CBus now, but when i try to explain X10 i get
a
lot
> of blank expressions.
>
>
>
>
> Dean.
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Stuart Grimshaw [mailto:stuart.grimshaw@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 18 December 2004 13:03
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx; uk_selfbuild@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ukha_d] New Regs to kill DIY HA?
>
>
> I read a post on the now defunct(?) ukha_1wire mailing list about
> controlling lights with 1-wire stuff, and it struck me that from
> January, this kind of project is ging to be neigh on impossible in the
> UK.
>
> With the new regulations coming into force that requires all
> on-trivial electrical work to be certified by a qualified electrician,
> we wont be able to undertake projects such as this. The LD11's I
> fitted to control my external lights for example would become illegal.
>
> Where are people going to be able to find an electrician who is
> prepared to certify projects like that, because your average sparky in
> the yellow pages wont even have heard of X10, never mind seen it.
>
> The other option that was mentioned a long time ago was to become self
> certified, so that you can certify your own work, but that was the
> last I heard of iy, I've not seen any details of any courses being
> run.
>
> However, there is light at the end of the tunnell, the governments
> webpage states:
>
> "You do not need to tell your local authority's Building Control
> Department about:
>
>     * repairs, replacements and maintenance work; or
>     * extra power points or lighting points or other alterations to
> existing circuits (except in a kitchen or bathroom, or
outdoors)."
>
> So you could argue that replacing your existing lighting with a CBus
> installation comes under "repairs, replacements and
maintenance" but I
> think somehow that refers to replacing a lightswitch that's faulty.
>
> When the new regulations started, there was talk of
> self-certification, but this was mis-interpreted by many as meaning
> you could go on a course and self certify your own installations,
> however it means that an electrician who is a certified competant
> person can certify his own installations without requiring inspection
> by the building control people.
>
> It's not just lighting that's going to be effected either, many HA'ers
> interface their controllers with their boilers, via a relay, and I
> guess that this kind of work would also require inspection. Which BCO
> or sparky is going to certify that kind of work? You could argue that
> it's "alterations to existing circuits", but the regulations
are a bit
> vague.
>
> I very much doubt you'll be able to find any sparky who would certify
> any DIY HA installations, as they wouldn't want to risk the liability,
> should anything go wrong, and that's what signals the end of DIY HA in
> the UK to me.
>
> --
> -S
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