Re: Clipsal C- Bus2 information wanted

["MatthiasFC" <Matthias.M.Fynes-Clinton@xxxxxxx>]

I have just finished a DIY install of C-BUS2 for all lighting and
heating plus integration to Security system so I you have any
specific questions I would be gald to help. You are right re getting
hold of info. In the end I just bit the bullet and bought the stuff
which was when I recieved all the information. You can get the manual
for about =A3140 although I agree that the pre-sales technical
literature leaves a lot to be desired
Regards
Matthias


--- In ukha_d@y..., "Rob Mouser" <rmouser@t...> wrote:
> Hi Kevin (& All)
> 
> As you know I am an avid c-bus supporter and am slowly integrating it
> into my barn.
> As you rightly say there is a distinct lack of technical
documentation
> on c-bus available on the web, infact I would go as far to say that > Clipsals web offerings are generally very poor in total.
> I think it is also fair to say that until recently Clipsal UK have not
> had the staffing or technical back-up (or even stock) to push C-bus in
> the UK but that is beginning to change and now they have some
dedicated
> staff including a dedicated tech guy. As you have discovered though they
> are keeping their cards very close to their chest, I recall one
> conversation with their technical guy which went something like:
> 
> "Well if you become an accredited installer I'll tell you the answer"
> 
> They still see C-bus as a commercial 'energy management'
application to
> a large extent but again their views are beginning to change and the > introduction of their home control and alarm systems in the UK will I
> think see that change further, it is just beginning to be introduced > now.
> 
> You are right they are very keen to keep their format V.tight for
> exactly the reasons you state. I think though as time goes on as is > always the case with many manufacturers ranges it will become
> main-stream and by definition less tight. If they do manage to
produce a
> 'standard' in lighting control this IMO can only be good but they
are a
> long way off that.
> 
> Finally I would also be interested to know who else is using it.
> 
> IMHO it is excellent and is TOTALLY stable and reliable in every
sense.
> Despite what Clipsal would have you believe its also very easy to
> install, programming can be a little tiresome but that's mainly
down to
> their software being less than logical with less than useful help
files.
> From a price point of view I don't thing its that expensive. e.g.
If you
> take the 8 channel din rail dimmer it retails at =A3363.00 +VAT
does
the
> same job as 8 LD11's which cost =A329.78 + VAT each (=A3238.24),
yes OK
=A3120
> more but without being disrespectful to x-10 in a different league. Its
> really down to requirements and budget.It's also fair to say that c- bus
> does not lend itself well to retro fit scenarios.
> 
> All just my two peneth worth!
> 
> P.S.    Mark, I promise that when I have more time I wi= ll write a
review
> for the site. Just don't hold me to timescales at present!
> 
>
> Many Thanks
> Rob
> Rob Mouser
> rmouser@t...
> rob@m...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Hawkins [mailto:lists@u...]
> Sent: 21 September 2002 11:54
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > Subject: [ukha_d] Clipsal C- Bus2 information wanted
>
>
>    Does anyone have any information on the actual proto= col that
Clipsal
> use in C-Bus2 (or even just C-Bus) ? Have had a search on the
internet
> and it seems fairly sparse. I would be particularly interested if
anyone
> has the C-Bus technical manual or documentation or has any
experience of
> the C-gate software for system integrators.
> 
>     This information is obviously available in som= e form as the
Comfort
> C-Bus UCM was developed to integrate with it. Maybe that's the route > I'll go.
> 
>     It seems they've done a fairly good job of kee= ping this a
> proprietary format , which in my opinion is a shame but I expect
they
> don't want low cost products eroding the market share from their
very
> expensive (but very good) own offerings.
> 
>     Would also be interested in knowing who actual= ly uses this stuff
> within the UKHA group.
> 
>     Kevin
>
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