RE: BabyCam

["Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>]

Tony,

That's not how IM works.

IM is not a Peer to Peer service. It's Client-Server.

Your "Microsoft Instant Message" doesn't go from your PC to mine,
it
goes from your PC to Microsoft's IM server. My PC then picks it up.

My PC picks it up by first opening a two-way channel to Microsoft's
server farm (logging on), and then listening on that channel.

It's not a "port listener. It only listens on a channel that IT has
established.

So on that basis, it doesn't have the problem of "static, open
port" to
respond to.

Mark Harrison
Head of Systems, eKingfisher

-----Original Message-----
From: BUTLER, Tony, FM [mailto:tony.butler@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 March 2002 16:57
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] BabyCam


But you said "By sending an IM to "my house"....."
suggesting you are
outside Harrison Central & "my house" is inside.
Therefore, you are initiating a connection from the internet & you NEED
A
PORT OPEN!!!!!

Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 13 March 2002 16:51
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] BabyCam
>
>
> Tony,
>
> No, No, No!
>
> I absolutely _don't_ want to open up any ports for external
> access. The
> thing about IM is that the _client_ (ie the internal PC) opens the
> connection ;-)
>
> Mark Harrison
> Head of Systems, eKingfisher
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BUTLER, Tony, FM [mailto:tony.butler@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 13 March 2002 16:29
> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] BabyCam
>
>
> You don't need to use IM for this:
> A simple VB/your favourite language) app acting as a TCP listener will
> do.
> Set it up on some obscure port, and just send text strings to it.
>
> This has been done to great effect in an office I worked at where the
> listener was set up on a user PC and the 'client' was set up on the
> developer PC.
> When the developer sent ":CD:OPEN" for example - guess what?
> The CD Drawer opens!
>
> Other similar things could be done such as confining the mouse to a
> specific
> are on the screen, starting the screensaver etc.
>
> The software was removed though when the user complained to
> tech support
> about weird PC behaviour after a particularly lengthy 'attack'.
> They did get a new PC out of it though, so it was worth it in the end!
>
> Anyway, automating other windows apps etc should also be possible this
> way.
> Basically, if you can write an app to run on your machine to control
> another
> app on your machine, then it is a doddle to convert this to
> work via TCP
> rather than through pressing buttons or whatever.....
>
> Obviously, some sort of security would be nice to stop other ppl
> controlling
> your PC too!
>
>
> Tony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 13 March 2002 16:19
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] BabyCam
> >
> >
> > Gadzooks!
> >
> > Shall I hold off on investigating doing this then? - not that
> > I would have
> > got round to it any time soon, but this is still on my list
> > of things to do
> > when I get time. - I got as far as downloading some
> > documentation on the IM
> > API....
> >
> > Will you be sharing the results?....
> >
> > Paul G.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > >To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: RE: [ukha_d] BabyCam
> > >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:08 -0000
> > >
> > >Haha, there's the clever part!
> > >
> > >One of the things "under development" is an _IM_
client to
> do Windows
> > >automation.
> > >
> > >By sending an IM to "my house" with a pre-defined
syntax and
> > password, I
> > >can make it automate things ;-)
> > >
> > >Idea by Paul Gordon, implementation by Mrs H. just as soon
> > as she starts
> > >maternity leave ;-)
> > >
> > >Mark Harrison
> > >Head of Systems, eKingfisher
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> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Pedro de Oliveira [mailto:p.oliveira@xxxxxxx]
> > >Sent: 13 March 2002 15:56
> > >To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> > >Subject: RE: [ukha_d] BabyCam
> > >
> > >
> > >Sounds like a good idea but how are you going to get
netmeeting to
> > >automatically accept a conversation??
> > >
> > >Pedro
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
> > >Sent: 13 March 2002 15:52
> > >To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [ukha_d] BabyCam
> > >
> > >
> > >Got my "UKHA BabyCam" from Henry's this lunchtime
> > >(www.henrys.demon.co.uk)
> > >
> > >The shop is "an experience".
> > >
> > >The plan, BTW, is as follows:
> > >
> > >Phase 1: Monitoring from home
> > >
> > >- Camera into KAT5 TX
> > >- Down CAT5 cabling (now fitted into nursery, thanks to Paul
> > Wooton and
> > >James Hoye)
> > >- Back out into KATRX
> > >- Into meridian switch (controlled by Pronto)
> > >
> > >Phase 2: Monitoring from outside
> > >
> > >- Wire the _video_ loop of the Meridian into a
"TV-in" card
> > >- Allow the Webserver to configure HomeVision to do such
> switching on
> > >request
> > >- Use NetMeeting to see nursery ;-)
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Marki
> > >
> > >
> > >
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