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Re: Any advice for ambitious newbie?



Hi Bruno
            Welcome aboard
I,ll just comment on the security stuff as i have worked in the security
industry previously .  A dedicated alarm panel is a must in my opinion .
Comfort will give you web access i believe . Smoke detectors definetly hard
wired and connected to your alarm systyem . There are pet immune pir sensors
available . If you decide to have an access control system ensure door
strikes are not fed from the alarm system 12v supply (should have  seperate
supplys for door strikes). Most access control systems have whats called a
rex input (request to exit) which when pressed unlocks the door . These
obviously installed at exit points(internal). My Genesis Alarm Panel has got
(2) prox reader interfaces built into each keypad , so at some stage i
intend to use access control on my front door. Contacts on windows is a good
idea if easy to do , you can then secure the perimeter and move around
freely  inside .Especially good for people home alone . One of the guys on
the list (steve cooper) is doing some ibutton control stuff . Also i think
Rob Mouser is doing a barn conversion iirc . Have you had a look at C_Bus
lighting system (hardwired) ?

Frank Mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno Prior" <bruno@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: [ukha_d] Any advice for ambitious newbie?


> Sorry, in advance, for the very long post.
>
> I am new to this group, and fairly new to home automation. I've had whole
> house audio and networking for quite a while in my current house with a
> server for MP3s and other services and PCs in each room, but I'm a novice
at
> X10 and similar technology.
>
> I am just about to start a barn conversion for our new home. We are
> literally stripping it down to a shell and rebuilding, so it is a great
> opportunity to set up a more comprehensive home automation system. I was
> hoping that the members of this group might help me with comments on the
way
> I was planning to go about it.
>
> I am willing to change my plans in the light of advice in most regards,
but
> there are a number of things which I cannot change. Probably the most
> significant is that I want the house to be a Windows-free zone (with the
> exception of my wife's computer, which is a battle not worth fighting).
This
> means that I certainly won't be running any Windows-based automation
server
> software, and I am even reluctant to use proprietary hardware if it can
only
> be configured from Windows. I am not trying to start a flame war on the
> merits of different OSs, or suggesting that others are wrong to use
Windows.
> This is simply a matter of personal principal and bitter experience.
>
> As far as I can see, the main categories that I need to plan are:
>
> Audio/video
> Internet/networking
> Lighting/appliance control
> Security
> Heating
> Phones
>
> Is there anything else I should think about incorporating?
>
> For me, audio/video and internet/networking go together. I tried the route
> of a CD jukebox years ago. I still have my Technics 110 CD jukebox, but I
> found it very limiting. It holds and displays limited information about
the
> CDs (so selecting CDs and tracks is a matter of memory or guess-work), it
> offers very limited facilities to control the playing order of the tracks,
> and it does nothing for my fairly extensive vinyl collection (which gives
> you an idea how old I am). Probably some of this could be overcome with
more
> modern jukebox systems, but I do not believe jukeboxes will ever be as
> flexible as a hard-disk-based system. In particular, a jukebox will always
> struggle to allow different people in different rooms to listen to
different
> tracks simultaneously. Maybe it can be done, but it would be a lot more
> complicated and expensive.
>
> Because of this, I put together an MP3-based system when we moved into our
> current house around 3 years ago. Mostly, I have found this a vast
> improvement. I have a linux server in the cupboard under the stairs to
hold
> the MP3s (originally 4 12Gb disks in a RAID-5 array, now 4 40Gb disks in a
> RAID-5). And I have a PC in each room to play back the tracks.
>
> Although this works pretty well for me, there are a number of irritations
> that I would like to eliminate. The most significant is the noise of the
PC.
> Another is the bootup delay and the hassle of turning the machine on if it
> is hidden (as my wife insists) in a cupboard or other inaccessible
location.
> Another is the lack of suitable software on Windows offering the
facilities
> I want with the speed of response I want (I settled on Musicmatch Jukebox
as
> the least bad, as it offers much better facilities to view and select
tracks
> than programs like Winamp, but it is hideously slow when it has to handle
> hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks). And then there is the
> difficulty of controlling it. It's OK in situations, such as the spare
> bedroom/office, where a desktop is appropriate, and you can use a normal
> keyboard and mouse in close proximity to the screen. But in the main
bedroom
> and in the lounge, you want to be able to operate it without standing in
> front of the screen. This meant going with an IR keyboard with a pointing
> device onboard, but it is not an effective means of operating an audio
> jukebox, particularly if you are sitting some distance from a 15" screen
so
> the text is too small to make out (as in our bedroom), or if you are using
a
> widescreen TV as the screen, which distorts and blurs the image (as in our
> lounge).
>
> What I plan for the new home is to replace the Windows PCs with diskless
> linux workstations NFS mounting their filesystems from the server, which
> will eliminate one source of noise and make for a faster bootup. I should
be
> able to get the noise down to a minimum using components from companies
like
> QuietPC, such as the Zalman heatsinks and the quiet PSUs. I will use NICs
> with WOL (Wake-on-LAN), so that movement sensors can send an X10 signal
when
> someone enters a room, which the server can pickup and trigger a WOL
signal
> to the workstation in that room, so it begins booting when someone comes
in,
> which should mean it is ready to roll by the time that person wants to use
> it. Alternatively, the motherboards should have Wake-on-Keyboard/Mouse
etc.
> so that they can be started without having to press the power switch.
>
> I was planning to get X10 MouseRemotes for limited control of the
> workstations, but I guess I will have to stick with cordless keyboards for
> anything more complex. Does anyone know of alternatives for controlling
PCs?
> Should I be looking at IRMan and some kind of suped-up remote like a
Pronto?
> Would this sort of solution still let me send X10 signals as well?
>
> As for the screens, I was going to take a hammer to crack this nut and
> replace the Widescreen telly with a Plasma display, and get a bigger TFT
> screen for the bedroom, preferably with built-in tuner, so I don't need to
> fire up the computer (with tuner card) just to watch TV. Does anyone have
> any experience of Diamond Technology's displays, which seem to offer the
> best price per inch for this sort of screen? And does anyone know of a
> modern Plasma display that has DVI input? I understand that output from a
> DVD-ROM via DVI offers as good or better picture quality as component
video
> connection, but I can't find a decent 42" display that has DVI. Not that
> this really matters, because it is probably simpler to get a separate DVD
> player anyway, but I would still like the best picture quality possible
when
> using the screen with the workstation.
>
> Then all I need is a practical interface. I have two options: use a
> conventional window manager and get the desktop and apps to use large
fonts
> and icons; or get hold of a bespoke interface such as OEone
(www.oeone.com).
> Although the latter looks very nice, I would prefer the former, and I
think
> it shouldn't be too much of a problem under X-Windows. Anyone have any
> advice?
>
> I was thinking of getting one of LetsAutomate's LoftBox units for
> distributing TV/radio signals, although in an ideal world I would have 9,
> rather than 8 room feeds. Can you split the feeds to give more than 8?
>
> I think I understand how the FM, terrestrial TV and satellite work through
> the LoftBox, but what about DAB? Is the DAB signal also multiplexed onto
> each feed? If so, why do the standard wallplates just have the two sockets
> for TV and FM? What do you do if you want both analogue and digital radio
> from one of these wallplates? Are the DAB channels effectively FM
> frequencies that need decoding? If so, why are there separate inputs to
the
> LoftBox for FM and DAB antennae? And if I don't want to feed CCTV through
> the loftbox, can I use this input for some other video signal, such as
from
> a terrestrial digital decoder?
>
> My intention for recording was to go for hard-disk recording. But rather
> than get a Tivo or other one-box solution, I was thinking of putting TV
> tuner cards in a couple of the workstations, so that I could record to the
> server, and be able to watch any recorded programs from anywhere in the
> house with a screen. Are there serious problems with this approach? I was
> thinking of going for ATI 7500 All-in-Wonder cards. I understand they are
> one of the best cards for these purposes for linux support. Does anyone
have
> any comments on their suitability for this purpose, or suggestions of
better
> alternatives for recording TV from linux? I take it I would be able to
> record whichever satellite channel was selected if I plugged one of the
> multiplexed feeds into it? I was also hoping to rip any DVDs I own to,
say,
> DivX files on the server so that I could also watch these anywhere in the
> house. Is this likely to be feasible?
>
> As for DAB, I think my only linux option is to go for a Terratec DR-Box.
> Does anyone have any experience of these? Assuming I don't want to go to
the
> expense of getting one for each room, is it practical to hook this up to
the
> server and stream it round the house? The documentation for the linux
> drivers seems to indicate that the linux DAB Server provides this
facility,
> but I'm not sure I understood it right. Would I be limited to streaming
one
> channel per DR-Box, or could I stream more than one channel from the same
> ensemble, if required? Does anyone have any experience of this?
>
> The thing I have most doubt about is the interface. If I am going to use
the
> computers as my main A/V equipment, I must have an easy interface. I am
> looking in particular for two factors: (a) it must be able to be operated
> largely by remote control; and (b) it must have an intuitive and
accessible
> (i.e. easily readable from a distance) GUI. I believe the former would not
> be too hard to achieve if I could live without the latter, as the IRMan
> could control XMMS for playing back MP3s and DAB streams (and probably
other
> programs for other A/V purposes). However, the XMMS interface is hard
enough
> to read at a desktop (even in the ugly DoubleSize mode), let alone sitting
> several metres from the screen. And the track selection tools are pretty
> limited. On the other hand, most of the jukebox programs out there that
> allow more flexible track selection also make a lot of use of grids that
are
> difficult to read from a distance and need a lot of use of the mouse for
> scrolling throught the lists.
>
> As far as I can see, the best way to put together an interface that can be
> suitably sized for distant reading is to have a web interface. But web
> interfaces are usually designed to control command-line players. I am
> thinking of putting together a system where all track meta-data is stored
on
> a MySQL database, use local apache servers and perl scripts to generate
the
> web interface from this database (and other resources, such as TV
listings),
> use the perl xmms modules bundle to send commands from the scripts to
> control xmms, and some combination of lirc/irmctl/plircc to control the
> browser interface (and xmms, xawtv etc.) from a remote control. Sounds
> rather complicated. Any suggestions of a simpler way to achieve the same
> results?
>
> The obvious alternative might be to have the web interface controlling a
> streaming server at Node Zero, but as the server will be doing a lot of
work
> as it is, I wanted to move as much processing onto the workstations as I
> could. Plus, I'm not sure how this would work for the V part of A/V
> (although I think it could probably be done with VideoLAN). I'd be getting
> into a fair number of streams if I wanted to allow each room to operate
> independently, which might give me some QoS problems on the network as
well
> as the load issues on the server. Or am I exaggerating the problems?
>
> The local switch has just been DSL-enabled, so I am planning to get an
ADSL
> connection. I want to be able to provide authenticated web access to a lot
> of the automation system from outside the house, so I was assuming it
would
> be much preferable to go for a fixed IP account. My current ISP (Frontier)
> puts all sorts of firewalling at their end of the DSL connection, and does
> not officially provide fixed IP, so I was thinking of switching to Demon.
> Has anyone had experience of Demon ADSL accounts? And what hardware would
> people recommend to hook the linux server to ADSL? I want the server to
> handle NAT, firewalling etc., so would I be better trying to get an ADSL
> modem hooked up to the server so I don't have to worry about 2 gateways?
>
> I am fairly comfortable with the rest of the network configuration. I will
> be putting twisted pair connections into each room, and also a couple of
> wireless access points. I'll be running Apache as web server, Samba to
> provide access to the server for my wife's computer, CUPS for printing,
> postfix/courier-imap/sqwebmail/maildrop for email, OpenSSH for remote
> access, IPtables for NAT and firewalling, phpGroupware for diary, contacts
> etc, jabber for chat, Hylafax for faxing, MySQL for database management,
> OpenOffice for word processing, spreadsheet etc. Anything else I should
> watch out for, or haven't taken into account/provided for?
>
>
> Lighting and appliances:-
>
> I was planning to go X10 for lighting control. From what I have read, I
> should go for the DIN modules in preference to the X10 wall switches,
right?
> My electrician says this will increase the cost of getting the house
wired,
> as running a loop for each circuit is more labour intensive and probably
> will require more cable. He works for the family company, so I am sure he
is
> not trying to rip me off, but is this people's experience?
>
> Does anyone have experience of lighting a barn? I have heard a lot of
teeth
> sucking whenever I have asked people (electricians or lighting salesmen)
how
> to best achieve this. I have yet to meet someone with a barn who felt that
> they had managed to get good quality lighting across the room. The problem
> is that the light tends to disappear into the rafters, and it's difficult
to
> position sufficient downlighters without a ceiling. You also want the
> lighting to be as inobtrusive as possible, so as not to detract from the
> traditional appearance. I've also got to incorporate a couple of
cartwheels
> which my wife wants to adapt as chandeliers, which will give a lot of
> lighting, almost none of which will be cast downwards. And just to make
life
> really difficult, I'd love the lighting to be as efficient as possible (I
> work in the environmental field, and ought to live by my principles), but
I
> understand that low-energy bulbs don't work well with X10 (or at least not
> with the lamp modules).
>
> For planning reasons, we don't have a lot of windows, and many of the ones
> we have are out of reach. I therefore want to automate the opening of
blinds
> and curtains. Am I right in thinking that SilentGliss is practically my
only
> option nowadays for curtain openers? And what is my best bet for blind
> openers? Are there any options that can raise/lower and open/close
Venetian
> blinds? Am I right in thinking I will need X10 relay modules to control
> these openers?
>
> Because of the planning limitations on new windows, we have tried to get
> permission for a few Veluxes to increase the light. At the moment, the
> conservation officer is trying to force us to have the smallest
conservation
> Velux available, which is one of the few models that they do not offer an
> automated blind opener for. If I am forced to have these Veluxes, are
there
> any other options for automated blind opening/closing? My architect seems
to
> think it would be easy to rig something up, but I haven't come across
> anything. And if I get my way, and persuade the planner to let me have the
> next smallest Velux, which can be equipped with a Velux blind
> opening/closing mechanism, are these easy to adapt for X10 control?
>
> As I am so limited on the light I can get into the building, I came up
with
> a slightly off-beat solution. The planner would not let us glaze the
> existing barn doors, as most conversions used to be allowed to do. He
wants
> it to look as much like a working barn as possible. The architect's
solution
> was to put 2 slit windows in each barn door, which would have neither
looked
> authentic, nor allowed much light into the building. I suggested that we
> have full restored barn doors on the outside, with glazing (and french
> windows) behind. If we equip the barn doors with gate opening mechanisms,
we
> can dramatically alter the amount of light allowed into the building
without
> having to go outside and open the doors, and with an appearance that
> satisfies the planners. This also then becomes a part of the heating
system,
> because the amount of solar gain throught the south-facing barn doors when
> they are open will make a dramatic difference to the temperature of the
> barn. I would therefore like to be able to control it both manually (e.g.
by
> remote control or pressing a switch) and automatically(e.g. the server
would
> automatically open or close the barn doors depending on the external and
> internal temperature, light readings etc). I thought this also ought to be
> straightforward to control by X10, but now I am having doubts, because of
> security. The barn doors will form a significant part of the security of
the
> house, as the French windows behind will not present a significant barrier
> to anyone wanting to break in. This is a significant consideration, as we
> will be only half a mile from the local gypsy site! Am I right in thinking
> that the barn doors would be relatively easy to operate from outside the
> house, if I have any All House Code RF Receivers? If so, what would be an
> alternative way of controlling the barn door opening mechanisms from the
> server?
>
> I wanted to setup a garden irrigation system, but my wife is a garden
> designer and very particular about how the plants get watered. Apparently,
> the systems that drip release water slowly into the ground are no good for
> the plants. If it was going to be a sprinkler system, how would you
control
> the sprinklers? Sounds like it would need a lot of hose, a lot of
> sprinklers, and a lot of valves. And the valves advertised on Letsautomate
> say they are not for use at mains pressure. So what do people use?
>
> I was going to stick some of the kitchen appliances on X10 controls. Would
I
> be better off going again for the DIN modules rather than the wall
switches,
> plugin modules or mains sockets? Are there any other appliances I should
> think of X10 enabling while I am at it?
>
>
> Security:-
>
> The security element was what first attracted me to X10. I simplistically
> imagined that I could put together a reasonable security system with a
> combination of the external PIR/floodlights, internal PIRs, some XCam2s
and
> some logic on the server. Now I'm not so sure. Presumably, I don't need to
> worry about RF control, as per the barn doors, as it is no advantage to a
> thief to be able to send false alarm signals. But I still have a number of
> problems with this plan.
>
> I have gone away from the idea of using XCam2s. I want to be able to
> interact with the security system from outside the house, particularly
over
> the web. So I need to get the signals into the server. I haven't found
> anything that will enable me to get signals from the XCam2 into a linux
> server. The problem is that the receiver attaches by USB, and I can't find
> any information about USB drivers for this device. In any case, I was
> starting to veer away from this plan before I encountered this problem. I
> want to have quite a few cameras. I couldn't find information on whether
> they could be configured to have more than one operating at once, or how
> many could be combined onto one receiver, or whether you could have more
> than one receiver working side by side, and if so, how each receiver knew
> which XCam2s it was receiving the signal for. And then there was the
problem
> with the receivers having to be located near the server (due to USB
cabling
> restrictions), which would leave quite long transmission distances for
some
> of the cameras. And if all this could be resolved, it still looked like it
> would be a heavy load on the server, constantly grabbing frames from sets
of
> cameras.
>
> So now I am thinking of going for either Axis or D-link cameras, which I
> understand both have built in http and ftp servers. This should move the
> load off the server and allow for simultaneous monitoring of more than one
> camera at a time. I believe they also provide the additional (though not
> significant, I think) benefit of improved picture quality. Any advice on
> which to go for? The D-link units appear to be cheaper, but Axis are the
> specialists. If I went with Axis, I assume I would be better going for
> individual cameras, rather than the video webserver, as it would be much
> more flexible, and not significantly more expensive. Is this the right way
> to go? And anyone know where I can get housing for mounting some of these
> externally?
>
> As for the PIRs, I am wondering whether they are either effective or
> sufficient as intruder detection systems. We plan to get a dog for added
> security, but that means we have to decide which to rely on, as I imagine
> that, if left inside, the dog will constantly trigger the PIRs. Plus, we
> plan to have a wood-burning stove in the main area, and I understand PIRs
> are not effective where there is another significant heat-source. Am I
> worrying needlessly about their effectiveness? How do other people with
pets
> handle this? Should I also be looking at other detection equipment like
> pressure mats, motion beams, contact closures on windows etc? I imagined
> that these would be largely redundant if the PIRs worked, although the
> contact closures might give the nice additional benefit of being able to
> check if any windows were left open when you went out.
>
> I understand a lot of people use Comfort to control their security system.
> Is there a significant benefit to using this over programming the X10
logic
> with something like Misterhouse or Heyu/Xtend? To me, it seems preferable
to
> have all your control logic in one place (the server), rather than divide
> between multiple machines. Maybe the phone facilities would be useful.
Apart
> from this, would I be missing out if I didn't use Comfort to control the
> security?
>
> It would be nice to be able to trigger the door locks from anywhere, but
> again, I guess you don't want to do this by X10 for security reasons.
> Likewise opening and closing garage doors. What is the best way to wire up
> and control these sort of devices? And what's the best way for us to
trigger
> it when we want to get into the house? My wife is quite security conscious
> and insists on locking the deadlock every time we leave, so I guess no
> automated system will be able to unlock this when we return. But fiddling
> with two keys when you are loaded down (as I usually am when I come back
> from work) annoys hell out of me, and I would love a system that made it
as
> easy as possible for me to get in, but as hard as possible for intruders.
> What would people recommend? I see Letsautomate offer a proximity access
> control system, but this seems to be standalone kit. Can you install this
> and still also trigger the door by some other means internally? Is this a
> secure solution? Dallas also claim that their ibuttons could be used for
> security purposes, as each button is unique. Is this an alternative that
> could integrate more easily with the rest of the home automation gear?
>
> What about smoke detectors. The ones advertised by Letsautomate do not say
> if they can be integrated with X10. I like the idea that smoke detectors
> could report to the server, so that the server could then make decisions
on
> who and how to inform. How best to achieve this? I understand that one
> should use heat, rather than smoke detectors in kitchens. Are there heat
> detectors available that can be integrated with X10?
>
>
> Heating:-
>
> We are going for quite a funky heating system in the barn. We will be
using
> underfloor heating, hopefully powered primarily by a ground-source heat
> pump, with LPG boiler as backup for hot water and the coldest days (we
have
> no gas supply). We will also have a BAXI ventilation/filtration system,
> which has heat recovery to recycle the exhausted heat back to the fresh
air.
> And the heat pump will be reversible to provide cooling, so I want to put
a
> heat exchanger from the heat pump to the BAXI intake to provide cool air
in
> summer. It will be smart if it works.
>
> Given the issue with the barn doors, I would like more intelligent control
> of the heating levels than simple thermostats. I guess what I need is
> temperature sensors scattered round the rooms and externally, reporting
back
> to the server, which controls the valves to the underfloor zones, barn
> doors, BAXI ventilation, heat exchanger etc. I looked at the X10
> thermostats, but they are pretty expensive to scatter round, and most of
> their functionality would be redundant. Now I am thinking of going with
> 1-wire temperature sensors indoors and weather station outside, wired in
to
> the server, which will control the valves, doors etc with X10 signals or
> otherwise. I think I can use Misterhouse to program the control logic. Has
> anyone tried any of this? Are the X10 motorised valves suitable for
> controlling the underfloor zones (they look like it)? Should I expect any
> problems with the 1-wire temperature sensors?
>
>
> Phones:-
>
> This is where I am _really_ confused. My wife works from home, so we need
> two phone numbers (work and private) and a fax number. On the other hand,
> it's unlikely that we will be using more than two of these at a time,
> especially now that the internet connection will be going by ADSL. Three
> numbers, two channels - sounds like Home Highway. Except this is what I
have
> had at our current house since we moved in, and ISDN (with MSN) before
that.
> And it has never been satisfactory. I have been using an Argent (now
Lucent)
> CyberGear Gold all this time, but it has never been satisfactory. It
should
> be the ideal piece of kit - router, firewall and six analogue extensions.
> But it never works reliably, which it really should at the price (o800+,
and
> I bought two!). It regularly resets itself, and then refuses to allow
anyone
> to pick up their messages. It constantly loses its connection to the
> timeserver on the server, then thinks it is the wrong time of day, and
goes
> into the wrong mode. And the program to extract call information has not
> worked for years (since an "upgrade"), and as ISDN does not provide most
of
> the facilities that you get with a POTS line, we have no way of knowing
who
> called. It is so bad, that this is the only thing that my wife expresses a
> strong opinion on - she insists that for her work line at least, she must
> have a POTS line that she can plug a good, old-fashioned answerphone into.
> And I don't blame her.
>
> So I will have ADSL, and at least one POTS line. It doesn't seem worth
> getting Home Highway or any other ISDN variant on top of that. I guess
that
> means I should just get two other POTS lines for private phone and fax.
Fax
> is fairly straightforward - at the moment I use Hylafax to receive faxes,
> and either Hylafax or an old multifunction device to send. But I would say
> that it is an unnecessary step to view the fax on the computer before
> printing it, so at the next house I will probably get a new fax machine to
> receive as well as send, and just use Hylafax as an additional option for
> sending from the desktop.
>
> But I really don't know what to do about the home phone. We have yet to
> resolve whether the lines will be her line and my line or work line and
home
> line. If the former, which number do we give to friends as the main house
> number (you know people will only ever remember one)? And if the latter,
how
> does someone leave a private message for one or the other of us? And, as
my
> wife spends _a_lot_ of her day and evening on the phone, how do I avoid
> being constantly unable to make or receive phone calls for the few hours
> each day that I am home, if we share and publish the home line?
>
> I am torn between sticking with Highway for fax and phone, and connecting
> one of the data ports to something like an Eicon Diva Server card in the
> server, or going for a POTS line and either connecting that to a Quicknet
> Linejack card in the server, or giving in and connecting it to Comfort.
The
> first option is the most flexible, as I would then have two channels
> connected to the server, which I could use as a PBX/voicemail/VoIP gateway
> using something like Asterisk (www.asteriskpbx.com). And I could simply
add
> extensions by adding extra Quicknet Phonejack cards, or just use VoIP
around
> the house and use IP phones or headsets or microphones and speakers
> connected to the workstations. Has anyone tried this or the Linejack
> solution? Is there a mini-PBX solution that I should be looking at instead
> (although the CyberGear Gold has made me sceptical of any non-open
> solution)?
>
> Then there is the question of how to distribute the phone system round the
> house. At the moment, we have two DECT phones plugged into two of the
> extensions off the CyberGear Gold, and my wife has an analogue cordless
with
> her answermachine plugged into one of the analogue ports on the Highway
box.
> I guess she will stick with this kit for her line. The problem I have with
> the DECT solution is that I can never find the handsets. And we currently
> only live in a small house. In the new house, if we have the bases in our
> office, we won't even hear the phone ring, let alone be able to get to it
in
> time, if we are in the living room or kitchen. I guess I could get
something
> to extend the ring to other parts of the house, but that still doesn't get
> round the problem of being able to get to the phone in time. It seems to
me
> that one solution is to be able to use any of the workstations for VoIP to
> answer the phone, and then either continue the conversation at the
> workstation, pass it to another workstation, or hand it off to a handset
or
> headset. Will this work?
>
> I really like the look of the Arialphone cordless headset, but it is
Windows
> only. Anyone know of a decent cordless headset that does not require
> Windows? I guess it could be any of analogue, DECT or VoIP. Or can the
> Arialphone be adapted for use with linux? Voice recognition is available
for
> linux, but I don't know if the signals that the Arialphone sends to the
> computer are public. And I guess it would take more training than with
> Arialphone's own software.
>
> Another thing that doesn't work well at present is Caller ID. It is passed
> to the DECT handsets, but to read the number, you have to take them off
the
> base-station, and the act of taking them off the base-station answers the
> phone. So we never have time to read the number before answering (even if
we
> haven't had to run from one end of the house to the other), so it might as
> well not be there. And even if you have the handset on you, and can read
the
> number before answering, all that is presented is the number, which, with
my
> memory, is useless.
>
> What I would like is for the server to read the Caller ID, look it up in
our
> Contacts database, and then, if recognized, present the caller's name
> somehow, or number if not recognized (or block it completely if the caller
> is rude enough to use 141, as this is probably a tele-sales merchant
> anyway). I think this could be done with the Diva Server or Linejack
> solutions. Comfort (or other proprietary systems) could probably do part
of
> it, but I would guess that it would have to have its own database of names
> and numbers, rather than using the central database for the house (which
> would probably be on MySQL). One of my bugbears is the number of places
that
> contact information has to be duplicated nowadays, and the range of
formats
> that the information is stored in. As far as possible, I do not want to
> duplicate contact information in the house.
>
> I was thinking the best way to present the caller's name or number was to
> announce it verbally. The systems that overlay the number on the TV are
fine
> so long as you are in the TV room and it is on. Hopefully, if we are
living
> a full life, this won't be too often. I was thinking it might be most
> effective to broadcast this information to the workstations, which should
be
> on in any rooms where people are present, due to the PIR/WOL mechanism. As
> long as the workstations are using something like ARTS or ESD, they should
> be able to output the information, even if another program (such as xmms)
is
> already outputting via the soundcard. The question is how to get the
> workstations to output the information. I guess it needs some kind of
daemon
> waiting to receive the Caller ID info from the server on a specified port,
> that uses a Text-to-Speach program to turn this info into sound. Anyone
know
> if something like that exists, or would be difficult to create (I can't
see
> any major problems)? Or alternatively, I suppose the workstations could
run
> a second copy of something like xmms (or probably a less graphically
> intensive alternative) in the background, that was set to play a streaming
> channel from the server, and the PBX on the server creates the
announcement
> (using Text-to-Speach) and passes it to the streaming server. Are either
of
> these options feasible/already available/impossible? I think maybe the
> second option is easier. Is there another, easier alternative I haven't
> thought of?
>
> I want to be able to interrogate the home automation system in a variety
of
> ways: by phone, web and WAP, and for it to send some signals to me by SMS.
> For phone control, can I use the server instead of the X10 telephone
> transponder? Am I right in thinking that the telephone transponder simply
> accepts touch-tone commands? If so, I assume you have to remember which
key
> corresponds to which command? And isn't the range of commands that can be
> transmitted very limited? And how do you specify whether the transponder
or
> your answerphone/PBX picks up the call? Wouldn't it be better to have
voice
> control menus? From what I can tell, Misterhouse's voice control menus are
> designed to function from a microphone connected to the machine on which
it
> is running. Can it also accept voice control by phone? Perhaps it could be
> linked with the Asterisk PBX? If not, am I limited to the telephone
> transponder, and am i right in my assumptions about this unit's
limitations?
> Or is there another voice control option that doesn't require Windows?
>
>
> Much of the above may make no sense whatsoever. I am just feeling my way
on
> home automation. I may be getting completely the wrong end of the stick
for
> many bits of it. But I would rather be ambitious and then cut back on my
> ambitions, than never try. Particularly as it is better to make provision
> now, during construction, for whatever I may want in the future, than it
> would be to think about the options later.
>
> If any of you have got to the end of this message (without skipping all
the
> stuff in the middle ;-), thank you and well done. I don't expect anyone to
> reply to the whole message. But if you've got some expertise on any
> particular aspect of home automation, I would appreciate your advice on
that
> aspect. Just don't tell me to use Windows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruno Prior
>
>
>
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