RE: Sparkies

["Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>]

Julian,

Assuming that it really is just for first fix (pulling cable), then he's
"quoting high."

Suggest that it would take a couple of weeks: 2 * 40 =3D 80 hours
Suggest that a rate of =A315/hour is reasonable for first fix

... that gives a labour price of =A31200

Why don't you ask him to quote labour only with you supplying the
materials and see how that comares?

Mark Harrison
Head of Systems, eKingfisher

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-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Samphire [mailto:tricky_item@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 3 September 2001 18:18
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Sparkies


Hi Mick,

This price is _just_ for cabling. He will be wiring the house up as if
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were a normal house and leaving me to wire up cats, x10's etc when I
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in (do with the certification and him not pricing for sitting there=20
putting cats into a patch panel). All the cables will be marked up and=20
left either hanging out of boxes or bundled up in existing sockets.=20
Minimal chasing is needed for cables as most of it is dry wall and=20
anything that is running down the outside walls will be in casing and=20
boarded over.

Current stage of build is roof on, no internal walls or floorboards so=20
its the best stage for electrical fixing.

Regards,

Jules

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mick Furlong" <dorsai@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:06:02 +0100
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Sparkies

> hold on guys you need to know what is being quoted for here, for
> example
> does this include cat5 termination to faceplates and the faceplates?
> Ditto
> for ct100 speaker cable etc. What termination is provided at the node
> zero
> end?
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> I assume the work is being done at the construction stage? ...also the
> construction method makes a difference to the amount of work involved.
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> Is certification of the cat 5 cabling included?
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> It does sound expensive but you also need to take into account the
> number of
> points installed not just the total length of the cable, even if the
> installer is just a bog standard sparkie they don't come cheap. the
> average
> length of the runs is 14.5 M which is pretty short in office building
> terms
> so labour costs will be a higher proportion of the total when compared
> to
> more traditional data cabling installations. In most modern office
> buildings
> the ducting/raised floors/risers would also be in place making the job
> easier.
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> If he is including supply termination and fixing of 162 single outlet
> RJ45s
> then it might be worth asking for a price for just cable installation.
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> more info needed to take a proper view :) and despite the above he may
> still
> be ripping you off!
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> Cheers
> Mick
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 03 September 2001 17:23
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Sparkies
> >
> >
> > Bloody Hell !!!!
> >
> > I think I ought to buy a Winnebago and start touring the country
> doing
> > installs.
> >
> > Prices from Rapid Electronics 01206 751166
> >
> > > 2400m cat5 =3D =A3424
> > CAT5e	305m box	19-8156	=A335 per box	10+ =A332.80
> > 2400m =3D 8 boxes =3D =A3280
> >
> >
> > > 540m ct100 =3D =A3243
> > CT100 02-0250  =A319.30 per 100  5+ =A317.00
> > 600m =3D =A3102
> >
> >
> > > 500m speaker cable =3D =A3360
> >
> > 79/0.2	01-0142	18.35 per reel 5+ 16.10 so
> >  500m =3D =A380.50
> >
> > > 900m lighting cable =3D =A3200
> >
> > 1.5mm T&E	01-1944  =A319.77 per 100m  5+ =A3 18.58  10+
=A317.72
> > 900m =3D 167.22 or 1000m for =A3177.20
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Julian Samphire [mailto:tricky_item@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 03 September 2001 17:07
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [ukha_d] Sparkies
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've just got a price back from the housing company that is
> building my
> > > house. I've asked them to put in some cabling for my HA
stuff
> > before they
> > > finish the house. I have just been given a price of =A38700
for this
> task
> > > as I was wondering if you guys could take a look through my
list
> and see
> > > if they are taking the mick (which I think they are by about
5k).
> > >
> > > This is the info I got from the electrician who quoted the
job
> > up for the
> > > housing company (shame he wont give me the prices too)
> > >
> > > 2400m cat5 - 162 runs
> > > 540m ct010 - 36 runs
> > > 900m 1.5 cable (lighting)
> > > 500m speaker cable (to roof spaces) 24runs
> > > Power is standard for the house so no change here...
> > >
> > > All this is going to be router to node0 which happens to be
in
> > the garage
> > > on the wall touching the house. The sparkie claims this will
take
> up to
> > > three weeks to complete. Also note that the price _doesnt_
> > include any HA
> > > stuff, this is just for cabling.
> > >
> > > I have put a few prices together going on maplin as a guide,
but
> the
> > > electrical company should be able to get cheaper prices
anyway:
> > >
> > > 2400m cat5 =3D =A3424
> > > 540m ct100 =3D =A3243
> > > 500m speaker cable =3D =A3360
> > > 900m lighting cable =3D =A3200
> > >
> > > Total =3D =A31227
> > >
> > > I know some of you guys have done your own HA wiring, do you
think
> it
> > > would take one guy three weeks at 7 hours a day to do this?
and if
> so is
> > > 6000pounds way too much for 105 hours work, putting the guys
wage
> to
> > > something around 66 pounds an hour!
> > >
> > > Any info/moral suport apreciated,
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jules - just watching his HA dreams falling apart for his
new home
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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