RE: Re: OT: NTL Broadband

[Mark Harrison <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>]

Mick,

As I understand things, and I'm not lawyer:

ON RE-CONFIGURING ADSL ROUTERS:

- It's a, I'm pretty sure, _criminal_ offence to tamper with the Public
Telephone Network

- This is, notionally, because of the health and safety problems that would
arise if anyone were allowed to bugger around with electrical cables which
might have someone working on the far end.

- The Public Telephone Network is defined, in round terms, as everything
your PTT provides up to the point where you plug your CPE (Customer
Premesis
Equipment) into.

- Normally this makes perfect sense, because in current analogue terms,
this
is a "master socket" on a wall.

- Likewise, in "big" digital, this'll be an X.21 socket.

- The confusion comes because BT have defined the connection point on
multi-user version of ADSL to be NOT the WAN-side socket on the router, but
the ETHERNET socket(s).

Hence, tampering with the ROUTER is legally the same as tampering with the
nearest BT exchange!

ON ELECTRICITY

As for the "extracing electricity" - that's a legal hangover.
Police used to
have a real problem finding something to charge call-box phone phreakers
with, since there wasn't anything tangible stolen, it was difficult to show
that BT had suffered any damages. The Crown Prosecution Service, in
conjunction with BT, however, managed to show that making a
"stolen" phone
call caused BT to use more electricity than just operating the phone box in
"waiting for someone to pick up the handset" mode... therefore
there _were_
demonstrable damages (since BT had to pay more in their 'leccy bill), and
the courts would accept this as _just_ enough to show that a theft had
indeed taken place.

Subsequently, some reasonable laws have been enacted, so there is now a
criminal offence of "stealing telephone service", rather than
having to use
this bodge.



Mark Harrison
IT Controller, eKingfisher

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mick Furlong [mailto:dorsai@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 June 2001 22:40
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT: NTL Broadband


Mark

Offence in what way?

It is against BTs Contract Terms yes but I wouldnt call it an offence.

Btw I do NOT do this or condone it I have the full ethernet ADSL to allow
multiple PC access.

I am not sure that they are still in place but I do know that there were
some weird laws on the books at one time...such as stealing the GPOs
electricity if you used a service and then refused to pay for it ;)

Mick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Kaye [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 13 June 2001 17:22
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT: NTL Broadband
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mick Furlong [mailto:dorsai@xxxxxxx]
> >
> > check out www.adslguide.org.uk tells you lots about adsl
> > including comparative
> > pricing plus the forums have lots of info about sharing usb
> > connections, they
> > even talk about replacing the ADSL USB Modem/Router although
> > I don't think BT
> > allow that;)
>
> I believe it is an offence to do this.  In fact one user had his
service
> terminated immediately for playing with the config of the BT router,
let
> alone changing the router itself.  The router is seen as part of BT's
> network.  I expect Keith could elaborate on the technicalities behind
> meddling with something at that level.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
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